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War in Ukraine 7 months 3 days ago #3947967

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Putin will take every opportunity to implicate any other country at every opportunity to make his threats against them. From listening to the Sky news on YouTube yesterday, they regularly post update on the war daily, he did retaliate and fire off drones and cruise missiles on eastern Ukraine .
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Odessa suffers a second hellish night as Russia steps up attacks on Ukraine grain facilities with the aim of to stopping any chance of grain exportation .The Black Sea Port is bearing the brunt of the missile and drone onslaught. Grain and oil terminals , the market and storage facilities are reported to have been hit. Direct strikes on civilian infrastructure and the civilian population, and blows to the global food programme.

Source : Shaun Walker, The Guardian. .
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Terrible as this is, and it is unconscionable, it was only to be expected and is a direct result of Ukrainian actions attacking the Kerch Bridge and US and Western actions in not upholding their side of the grain deal and facilitating Russia's export of grain. It can never be one sided as the west would hope, Russia gets all the punishment while Ukraine gets all the weapons and assistance that western taxpayers can provide. There is a conflict going on that we are heavily engaged and invested in and that ups our responsibility to ensure that when we make deals that facilitate exports of food, we stick to them or else Ukraine and Russia will suffer the consequences.

As for the grain specifically, it is important, but Ukrainian grain represents only a tiny fraction of the worlds grain crop, there is more than sufficient grain in the rest of the market to make up any shortfall from either Ukrainian or Russian grain exports. Russia produces nearly 4 times the grain as that of Ukraine and in addition provides vital fertilizer for the agricultural sector. The problem stems from the fact that Ukrainian grain is cheaper than the alternatives which is why it is favored by aid agencies and countries in the poorer areas of the globe. This problem could be fixed if western grain producers lowered their prices, if they can freely supply arms for killing, they can provide grain to feed the hungry.

Australia is expecting a bumper crop this year, I would much rather we use this to aid Ukraine than send weapons and possibly troops to fight and entangle us in a bloody conflict.

As a footnote, Ukrainian friendly news outlets reporting from Ukraine state that there was no damage to civilian or export infrastructure from the latest raid, all incoming missiles and drones were shot down. It is this, after seeing video of the aftermath that makes this conflict hard to fathom and to follow. There is so much propaganda coming from both sides, though Ukraine beats Russia hands down in that department and has a willing western media ready to magnify their message.

A small snippet of Ukrainian propaganda, it turns out, despite no damage being inflicted, that some grain was destroyed, which it is said was destined for China, conveniently inciting trouble between the two nations.

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In another blow for Ukrainian grain growers 5 Eastern European countries, all members of NATO, have asked for the ban on the importation of Ukrainian grain to be extended. The countries, Hungary, Poland. Slovakia, Romania and Bulgaria are all concerned Ukraine's cheap grain will be flooded onto their markets undercutting local producers.

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I see from the national news yesterday drone are now falling on Moscow, and a few other places .
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Sandgrounder wrote: I see from the national news yesterday drone are now falling on Moscow, and a few other places .


It's a joke that Putin gets so angry and petulant when the Ukraine bites back, and it's not even always the Ukrainians, I'd bet. Several internal Russian groups are very anti Putin who is looking quite fragile now. No bare chested rhetoric atop a giant stallion. His week long special operations failed abysmally to illegally invade and conquer the Ukraine. Now NATO is firming up for an increasingly belligerent Russia doubling down and increasing the maximum age of conscripts.... Putin didn't see that coming, it already being a total failure except to leave Russia's legacy as being an evil Pariah State. The social structure of powerful Oligarchs with their private armies is akin to Medevil times, with Putin the Cherry atop that foul and rotting cake. He's a Global Liability who has been particularly harsh on his own peoples... and starving countries without the grain from the steppes.. ...

It wouldn't surprise me if those drones were indeed Russian as a bit of a "Wolf Cry". So many lies.
Who knows what in this mad war?
Was that Yevgeny Prigozhin fellow recently seen in another floral shirt in a sunny southern clime? ... nice gold watch .. He smiles a lot too.
Didn't some fleeing Nazis like Argentina? I fled Ulster :laugh:
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There's been much going on with the Special Military Operation, mostly concerning growing concern within the halls of western power houses of a failure of the Ukrainian Counter Offensive. Despite some small advances, for the most part Ukraine has failed to meet any of its initial objectives while suffering significant losses in men and equipment. In response Ukraine has switched to a parallel campaign of attacking Russian assets and communities with drones, both aerial and sea borne in an attempt to have Russia switch some of its forces from defending the front line to securing rear areas. However even some limited drone attacks on Moscow seem not to have had the desired impact.

Ukraine's response to western military and political critism is to blame the lack of vast and rapid supply of more armaments from the west. That the west has all but exhausted what equipment it can supply seems not to be a message Kyiv is willing to hear. Germany has moved a step closer to supplying long range air launched cruise missiles, but will do so only after their software has been modified to ensure they cannot be used to hit targets inside of Russia, something many consider a futile gesture. The US maintains a similar no targeting Russia criteria for its longer range missiles and munitions.

Meanwhile billions is being spent in the US and the EU to ramp up military armaments production to incredible levels consistent with what would be required for a global conflict. This has severely exposed the unpreparedness of the US for any sustained 21st century fight, beating down rather primitive tribesmen in Iraq, Afghanistan and Africa is one thing fighting a modern military force is something altogether different. It has also exposed, as was predicted by many analysts, just giving modern equipment to Ukraine, without proper training, support and time to become fully competent in their use is a failed exercise.

On the political front, it seems the leopard doesn't change its spots, in a move aimed largely at appeasing western concern for Zelenskyy's inability to weed out corruption, a mandatory requirement for joining both NATO and the EU, Zellnskyy has announced he is sacking all of the Regional Heads of the military recruitment offices and is replacing them with disabled veterans returning from the front line. Internal critics say that this is just a distraction from the much greater corruption at the top of the Ukrainian political pyramid.

The shake-up of the military recruitment system appeared to be all-encompassing. The president said officials would also be dismissed without “evidence of crimes or violations.” If they want to keep their rank “and prove their dignity,” he added, “they should go to the front.” A message that echoes the threats of Hitler during WW2 to send disloyal Officers to the Eastern Front.

As well as western despondence over the slow pace of the Counter Offensive, Ukrainians on the whole are becoming war weary and are starting to be more vocal in their questions about a lack of negotiations over a peace deal to end the conflict. But the fight goes on.

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War in Ukraine 6 months 1 week ago #3954986

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Apparently, progress has been partially hampered by landmines laid by the Russians.
Putin is there no depth he is willing to sink too . Landmines disgraceful.

I would of thought all the soldiers on the ground regardless whether Ukraine or Russian are war weary.
There will be no winners in this war

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Sandgrounder wrote: I see from the national news yesterday drone are now falling on Moscow, and a few other places .


It's a joke that Putin gets so angry and petulant when the Ukraine bites back, and it's not even always the Ukrainians, I'd bet. Several internal Russian groups are very anti Putin who is looking quite fragile now. No bare chested rhetoric atop a giant stallion. His week long special operations failed abysmally to illegally invade and conquer the Ukraine. Now NATO is firming up for an increasingly belligerent Russia doubling down and increasing the maximum age of conscripts.... Putin didn't see that coming, it already being a total failure except to leave Russia's legacy as being an evil Pariah State. The social structure of powerful Oligarchs with their private armies is akin to Medevil times, with Putin the Cherry atop that foul and rotting cake. He's a Global Liability who has been particularly harsh on his own peoples... and starving countries without the grain from the steppes.. ...

It wouldn't surprise me if those drones were indeed Russian as a bit of a "Wolf Cry". So many lies.
Who knows what in this mad war?

Was that Yevgeny Prigozhin fellow recently seen in another floral shirt in a sunny southern clime? ... nice gold watch .. He smiles a lot too.
Didn't some fleeing Nazis like Argentina? I fled Ulster :laugh:


Absolutely. If support for the war is flagging at home just send another drone up and blame the Ukrainians.

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Special Military Operation ? I thought we had assigned that term to the toilet pan. Aggressive attack on a neighbouring country more like.

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