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War in Ukraine 7 months 3 weeks ago #3943092

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Jane R wrote:

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Jane R wrote: Ukraine is still dragooning unfortunates to the frontline to enter the mincer.[/quote

Joe Starlin Sent 9,000,000. Military alone. To there graves during WW2. With common purpose.
Putin Endeavouring to exceed. Without logical purpose.
Wake Up Russian electorate. NATO is not your enemy. Putin & Crew. Are.


What has WW2" or Stalin got to do with the it? Absolute nonsense post. BTW NATO is everyone's enemy, just ask Iraq or Afghanistan or Yugoslavia.





NATO is the enemy of suppressive governments Afghanistan, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Russia..... ect ect....and if things go the way of Fascist Right America, soon the USA.

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senile1 wrote:

Jane R wrote:

QuinTSensual wrote:

Jane R wrote: Ukraine is still dragooning unfortunates to the frontline to enter the mincer.[/quote
Joe Starlin Sent 9,000,000. Military alone. To there graves during WW2. With common purpose.
Putin Endeavouring to exceed. Without logical purpose.
Wake Up Russian electorate. NATO is not your enemy. Putin & Crew. Are.

What has WW2" or Stalin got to do with the it? Absolute nonsense post. BTW NATO is everyone's enemy, just ask Iraq or Afghanistan or Yugoslavia.


NATO is the enemy of suppressive governments Afghanistan, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Russia..... ect ect....and if things go the way of Fascist Right America, soon the USA.

All endorsed by UNO Resolutions. 2 By Majority. 1 Unaminous.
Without the UNO & NATO. There would not have been 77yrs of Cold War.
Alternative. ONE Very Hot Obliteration.

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War in Ukraine 7 months 1 week ago #3946884

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My Australia is very happy to keep contributing materially to yet another Democracy under siege.

Putin is a stain on our already struggling "One World".
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War in Ukraine 7 months 1 week ago #3947043

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There are significant fissures opening up with regard to support for Ukraine's war with Russia and the one thing likely to make the ruptures greater is Zelenskyy's constant badgering for even more and more weapons and aid from the west with barely a paper thin mask of appreciation. Australia does what it is told when it comes to providing for Ukraine because it wants to be liked by the US, why is a mystery the US does not and has never returned the favor.

Ukraine's counter offensive is by any measure going badly, what gains they have made have come at a very high cost in terms of men and machines and are frankly unsustainable for much longer without a critical strategic break through in Russian defences, yet they have barely penetrated Russia first lines of protection, the worst and toughest fights are yet to come and Ukraine knows this and is desperate to have NATO put troops on the ground to soak up some of the human losses. Have no doubt should it reach that point Australia will be asked to contribute more than a few Bushmasters.

Exercise Talisman Sabre is about to begin and is the countries largest military readiness exercise held bi-annually in conjunction with the US. It will involve 30,000 personal across all services and confirmed participating partner nations include Fiji, Indonesia, Japan, Republic of Korea, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Tonga, France, United Kingdom, Canada and Germany. The Philippines, Singapore and Thailand will attend as observers.

Although held across Northern Australia, from WA, NT, Queensland and NSW the training this year has a refined NATO focus, perhaps in preparedness for a future conflict away from our shores.

We may be a generous nation but we need caution should that generosity come at our peril.

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War in Ukraine 7 months 5 days ago #3947441

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The Kremlin has said it is halting the deal that allows the export of Ukrainian grain, suspending its participation in The Black Sea grain deal, amid world hunger crisis.
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'Take the log out of your own eye then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.'
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Aida wrote: The Kremlin has said it is halting the deal that allows the export of Ukrainian grain, suspending its participation in The Black Sea grain deal, amid world hunger crisis.


To be fair, the west has hardly been upholding its half of the deal and allowing Russia to export its produce, sanctions are still applied to critical financial mechanism needed before anything can be shipped. Ukraine is also threatening to sink any Russian shipping, military or not, that comes within range of its anti ship missiles.

It is also reported that yesterday Ukraine again attacked the Kerch Bridge which is the vital link for those living in Crimea, again civilians and military alike. So with all that it is a wonder that anyone plays nice over the grain shipments.

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KayyGee wrote:

Aida wrote: The Kremlin has said it is halting the deal that allows the export of Ukrainian grain, suspending its participation in The Black Sea grain deal, amid world hunger crisis.


To be fair, the west has hardly been upholding its half of the deal and allowing Russia to export its produce, sanctions are still applied to critical financial mechanism needed before anything can be shipped. Ukraine is also threatening to sink any Russian shipping, military or not, that comes within range of its anti ship missiles.

It is also reported that yesterday Ukraine again attacked the Kerch Bridge which is the vital link for those living in Crimea, again civilians and military alike. So with all that it is a wonder that anyone plays nice over the grain shipments.


I don't think those living in the Crimea are going to starve, unlike the folk who are desperate for the grain? Unless you mean Vital for getting Weapons?
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Aida wrote: The Kremlin has said it is halting the deal that allows the export of Ukrainian grain, suspending its participation in The Black Sea grain deal, amid world hunger crisis.


To be fair, the west has hardly been upholding its half of the deal and allowing Russia to export its produce, sanctions are still applied to critical financial mechanism needed before anything can be shipped. Ukraine is also threatening to sink any Russian shipping, military or not, that comes within range of its anti ship missiles.

It is also reported that yesterday Ukraine again attacked the Kerch Bridge which is the vital link for those living in Crimea, again civilians and military alike. So with all that it is a wonder that anyone plays nice over the grain shipments.


I don't think those living in the Crimea are going to starve, unlike the folk who are desperate for the grain? Unless you mean Vital for getting Weapons?


No, while that is a factor the people living in Crimea, over a million of them, depend on the Kerch Bridge to bring in all their necessities from Russia. Since the Kakhovka Dam was destroyed they have to get all their drinking water requirements via this platform as well. There is a land bridge, which Ukraine is endeavoring to cut which makes it a risky endeavor for civilian transport and freight.

And regarding starvation, while Russia and Ukraine are the main sources for grain going to the middle east and Africa, they are not the only source, the driver is not supply per se', but cost, grain from western nations like Canada and Australia and the US is much more expensive. The bigger factor here is getting fertiliser, which mostly came from Russia, that has been stopped for some time, even while Ukrainian grain was allowed to move.

The other thing to keep in mind, is if there is no grain deal, the port infrastructure at Odessa becomes a fair target, which would mean no grain moves for much longer than the present conflict might be expected to last.

Finally, the head of the Ukrainian military said in an interview the other day that should they succeed in their aims to retake Crimea he will evict all Russians by all means possible, when pressed if he meant genocide, he had no further comment other than to repeat, all means at his disposal. That would be over a million people.

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War in Ukraine 7 months 4 days ago #3947627

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I think that the attack on the bridge could have been carried out by either side. It would not be the first time that Putin has played dirty in this war .
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Except that Ukraine has already claimed responsibility. They had to really as the evidence was overwhelming. They used two sea surface drones, the only debate at this point is whether they had assistance from a western nation, the UK has been mentioned.

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