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War in Ukraine 2 months 1 week ago #3807501

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☝️Henry Kissinger has said that the West should stop trying to inflict a crushing defeat on Russia and suggested that Ukraine should give up territory.
Former US secretary of state Mr Kissinger, 98, told the World Economic Forum held in Davos, Switzerland that Ukraine must begin negotiations 'before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome
'Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante. Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine, but a new war against Russia itself,' he told the conference on Monday. But Mr Kissinger said it would be 'fatal' for the West to get swept up in the 'mood of the moment' and forget Russia's position of power within Europe.
According to The Telegraph, he explained that Russia was an 'essential part of Europe' for over four centuries, noting that European leaders must 'not lose sight of the longer term ' otherwise risk putting Russia in a permanent alliance with China.
He also said: 'I hope the Ukrainians will match the heroism they have shown with wisdom.'
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War in Ukraine 2 months 1 week ago #3807521

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To my mind, nothing is gained by military means, there are never any winners,other than weapons manufacturers. In its wake are the mass civilian casualties and destruction. Sooner or later, the Russian war with Ukraine will only be ended with diplomacy and negotiations. Both sides have already spent years preparing, The US and its allies had been supplying weapons and military training for the eventual showdown. They still are but are effectively doing very little other than keeping the war going. The whole purpose of provoking a conflict had been aimed at regime change in Moscow to get rid of Putin. Ukraine has effectively been just a pawn in the middle. The longer it is kept goping and western countries supplies more arms only risks widening the conflict, even into another world war. So where are the peace makers? When a hawk like Kissinger is calling for a resolution, it is a great time to start worrying.

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War in Ukraine 2 months 1 week ago #3807939

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Russia took the Crimea in the last conflict, what's stop him having another go for some more of the country in a few years time.
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War in Ukraine 1 month 1 week ago #3820422

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Ukrainian forces have been ordered to withdraw from Severodonetsk, according to the top regional official. This means the two most eastern regions are no longer under their control .
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Never was a fan of Kissinger.

The mentality, I'm not following?
Any country, any country at all. We want this land now! Now we want this land here! This is not the first time, this stunt has been used.
Just about every war was, someone wanted what someone else has!
With out using force on one side, is there anyone one that does not see the out come?
If mexico want the SW US back, they can just walk in and have it?
If Ireland wanted the UK, they can just walk in and have it?
Don't see that as common sense.

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War in Ukraine 1 month 1 week ago #3820903

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How easy for him to recommend handing over territory - as long as it is not where he lives! Did he give any thought as to whether those living there want to be under Russian rule?
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War in Ukraine 1 week 1 day ago #3832770

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Zelenskyy is not happy, no less than Amnesty International is undermining his anti Russia narrative and giving credence to some of Russia own claims about the Ukrainian military. Amnesty has criticized Ukraine for stationing troops and weapons systems in civilian areas making them legitimate targets for the Russians, as has been claimed by Russian from the start.

The report has unleashed a hornets nest of criticism across the Ukrainian diaspora and from their acolytes around the globe. This report also comes at a time when political opposition to Zelenskyy and his prosecution of the war within Ukraine is growing with many of his opponents, those still free to comment, growing steadily louder in their complaints about his behavior and his attachment to the west at the detriment of Ukraine and resolving the conflict with minimal damage and human losses.

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War in Ukraine 1 week 1 day ago #3832808

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And Russia isn't any better by stationing troops in the nuclear power station and shooting at Ukrainian troops taking advantage of the fact that the Ukrainian artillery can't return fire.

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War in Ukraine 1 week 1 day ago #3832811

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Starfish2 wrote: And Russia isn't any better by stationing troops in the nuclear power station and shooting at Ukrainian troops taking advantage of the fact that the Ukrainian artillery can't return fire.


I beg to differ, the power station is a completely legitimate military target, that the Ukrainians choose not to return any fire is completely up to them as was the case when Russia took control of the power station and of Chernobyl. There are many high value military targets that neither side wish to see destroyed, being in control of those assets is a fortunate position both will be trying to achieve. Outside of the power station you can look at energy infrastructure in general, there are several gas pipelines that run through Ukraine that both the Ukrainians and the Russians could target if they so chose and those would be legitimate targets. The Ukrainians have chosen to destroy a good deal of their own infrastructure to deny it to the Russians, there will be a lot of major bridge building going on in Ukraine for many years after the conflict draws to a close.

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War in Ukraine 1 week 1 day ago #3832850

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I beg to differ,too. A nuclear power station is never "a legitimate target" for either side nor is it up to the Ukrainians to return fire because that is not an option.
The IAEA is demanding access to the site which is being denied by the Russians. :angry:

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