Pats wrote:

motoman wrote: Keeper ...... First off, Thank You for an informational post that obviously took time and thought ... And I assume ? aquired knowledge .

But I must say , much of this puzzles me. Reason being , I have lived most of my life on a Mediterranean diet. Mostly fish sometimes eating it for every meal, second is baked/grilled chicken. [seldom fried] Limited red meat, moderate alcohol, seldom any sodas, etc. ...... you get the point I'm sure. In addition to that, I'm a vegetable nut ... Luv almost all.

And, during these years I have followed strictly [what is best discribed] as a boxers exercise program. I quit working out about five years ago. The pain is just too much.

My puzzle ... I'm 74, with severe arthritis, peripheral neuropathy, spinal stenosis, and heart disease. If diet and exercise is so good for us .... how in the world did I end up like this ?

The only answer I guess ? Old age. I did smoke, years back ...... but this started long after I quit.

Unfortunately if you were a long time smoker before you quit… damage done by smoking can not be undone.

Researched online and posted in good faith......This is the Arthritis.org. diet for Arthritis........and they have been researching for years. .Keeper

www.arthritis.org/health-wellness/health...imate-arthritis-diet

When you quit smoking the ‘at risk’ factors of strokes and heart disease etc. may be cut by half.
When you have been a smoker, the effects of smoking can come back and bite you hard In later life.

Pats wrote:

motoman wrote: Keeper ...... First off, Thank You for an informational post that obviously took time and thought ... And I assume ? aquired knowledge .

But I must say , much of this puzzles me. Reason being , I have lived most of my life on a Mediterranean diet. Mostly fish sometimes eating it for every meal, second is baked/grilled chicken. [seldom fried] Limited red meat, moderate alcohol, seldom any sodas, etc. ...... you get the point I'm sure. In addition to that, I'm a vegetable nut ... Luv almost all.

And, during these years I have followed strictly [what is best discribed] as a boxers exercise program. I quit working out about five years ago. The pain is just too much.

My puzzle ... I'm 74, with severe arthritis, peripheral neuropathy, spinal stenosis, and heart disease. If diet and exercise is so good for us .... how in the world did I end up like this ?

The only answer I guess ? Old age. I did smoke, years back ...... but this started long after I quit.

Unfortunately if you were a long time smoker before you quit… damage done by smoking can not be undone.

So in otherwords .... All the correct living/diet/exercise etc ... does no good if we indulge in just one enjoyment ?

Forgive me but , that's hard to swallow. Particularly when I was a mild amount smoker.

These are similar reason why I have come to just about ignore the medical community altogether. At the very first chance they get .... they blame you [the patient] . That absolves them of correcting anything. I was told it was all due to my working on concrete all my working career .. [ya work where the employer provides] Then it was because I spent too much time in the elements [mostly cold] riding a motorcycle.

One [doctor] said it was due to lifting heavy components , in akward positions repairing heavy equipment.

LOL ! so I supose the best way in which I could have avoided all would have been if I would have just shot myself when I was a toddler.

I give up .... bottom line is, again old age and life itself .

motoman wrote:

Pats wrote:

motoman wrote: Keeper ...... First off, Thank You for an informational post that obviously took time and thought ... And I assume ? aquired knowledge .

But I must say , much of this puzzles me. Reason being , I have lived most of my life on a Mediterranean diet. Mostly fish sometimes eating it for every meal, second is baked/grilled chicken. [seldom fried] Limited red meat, moderate alcohol, seldom any sodas, etc. ...... you get the point I'm sure. In addition to that, I'm a vegetable nut ... Luv almost all.

And, during these years I have followed strictly [what is best discribed] as a boxers exercise program. I quit working out about five years ago. The pain is just too much.

My puzzle ... I'm 74, with severe arthritis, peripheral neuropathy, spinal stenosis, and heart disease. If diet and exercise is so good for us .... how in the world did I end up like this ?

The only answer I guess ? Old age. I did smoke, years back ...... but this started long after I quit.

Unfortunately if you were a long time smoker before you quit… damage done by smoking can not be undone.

So in otherwords .... All the correct living/diet/exercise etc ... does no good if we indulge in just one enjoyment ?

Forgive me but , that's hard to swallow. Particularly when I was a mild amount smoker. .

No that’s not what I said…..I said if you were a long time smoker
But smoking can and does leave ‘scars’ that can catch up with you later in life.

Smoking does have a long term impact, even if many of the problems subside the long away from quitting you are, however if you are suffering as you describe I would suspect it is more lifestyle and genetics that are the source of your woes.

Years of hard yakka (work) certainly have an impact on your muscles and joints, and a family history of heart disease should be looked into, while there are some cases that are hard to treat, most pain related problems can be at least minimised, if not completely controlled, but unless you have a complete overhaul joint problems are just baggage of old age.

As for your diet, keep at it, with some modification for your specific ills, had you not been eating healthy things could be a whole lot worse.

I follow the arthritis. org diet as best I can. My pain is not too bad, manageable with minimal doses of paracetamol and the use of pain killing gel. I cannot take anti inflammatories. Some days I don’t take anything . I use distraction techniques.
I do not smoke and never have, neither do I drink alcohol and I avoid stimulants as I have an asymptomatic heart issue. For this reason I am careful with supplements and check things out for side effects and interactions before I take them.
In the past I spent pounds on supplements only to find I should not be taking them. My advice is be very careful what you take. Check with your GP first.
I believe diet is the key .
When I was much younger I joined a group of housewives who went running. I really enjoyed it but I believe it may have contributed to my knee damage. However, I also acknowledge it is part of the baggage of old age. That said, my daughter has arthritis too so genetics most likely play a part.

Ok, if I miss spoke on your comment ... my apologies.

My point , is many health problems are [as was said] genetics, and in our collective ages life/lifestyle. Well we cannot change genetics ... maybe generations down the road, but [our] conditions are what they are.

As for life/lifestyle ? We can only work in a way that brings the income we can live with. Should we limit the exertion ? Might not be possible. Should we sit less ? Again can it be done ?

Diet - lifestyle ? That one for sure can be altered for the future generations ... Knowing what we do now.

But again, our generation ? ... We did not know that going down to the malt shop/drug store and ordering up a rootbeer float & lighting up a Lucky would come back to bite us as they in-fact might have.

The docs tell me that I need a hip, a knee [maybe two] and a shoulder. As for my back they say I will just need to live with it. And I just do not want the surgery . I am not married/live alone, and as such surgeries would require lengthy hospital stays. Which would mean the house would sit empty for that time as well.

Please believe that I am not whining .. just explaning.

Life, it what it is.

I really do not know anyone motoman who gets to the Buzz age group without experiencing some kind of health issue.

I agree ... it IS an age thing ... I would not have missed all the tennis/netball/gymnastics and especially the dancing that I did in my youth ... to avoid the pain I have now.

Like my wrinkles they are evidence of a life that was 'lived' and I have a whole heap of brilliant memories to sit and enjoy when it's too cold to get outside for a walk because of joint pain .... hey who on earth wants to walk in the freezin' cold anyway.

I too am not married and live alone ... that has so many blessings ... like still dancing to a good tune on the radio and no one can see you busting your best moves ... as well as drawbacks ... the thing is, you have to love yourself and be kind to yourself and take the best care you can of yourself ... like you would for a much loved partner

I do all I can to stay out of medical trouble but that's not fail proof sadly ... I try to be grateful for the good health that I have ... and thankfully it sounds like you, like me, have the security blanket of health services if needed.

And you can still do new things you enjoy that lift your spirits ... best yet Buzz is a good place to come and share

Thanks for the reply cahoots, and of course I agree.

It just gets old, hearing all the claims for this and that concerning medical help that never seems to really help.

And as you stated, I too would not have missed what I was able to enjoy over the years. And it is that life that brought me to this point.

With the NHS "Special!" Triages .For those 75+. Farcical. Usually punctuated with "Unbeneficial".
Despite 16yrs at the Sharp End. Accumulating the consequential!
Ask "To Who or What". Unspecified!
Without a good dose of Self Reliance. Prescribed Mega Co-Codamol & Symbicort. Boosted by externally sourced Cortisone & Probiotics.
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