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Pre-Diabetes Reversal course 7 months 2 days ago #3134773

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Conspiracy theorist are saying that antibiotics are so over prescribed that they don't work anymore and doctors know it.
Chief conspiracy theorist Matt Hancock from the dept of health & social care has ordered a review into over prescribing by the NHS.
www.hsj.co.uk/finance-and-efficiency/nhs...nies/7023422.article
Only weeks ago the NHS had to fight 2 drug co's in order to save £500 million a year.
Obviously I have only scratched the surface as I am not writing a book but no sign of big pharma anywhere to be seen :)
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That link was about using one company's drug when a cheaper version was equally effective.
It wasnt about over prescribing nor about antibiotics nor diabetes.

"Antibiotics don't work any more" is exaggerating - but we all know resistance has come about through some inappropriate use.
There is no conspiracy trying to hide that. :unsure: and it has nothing to do with diabetic control. :unsure:
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As was said before you can lead a horse to water etc. I can't put 2 years research on a buzz50 thread and i'm not going to name individual drugs on here but I've said enough for people to look further if they so desire. The point is the pharma companies think nothing of biting the hand that feeds them so they are not going to worry about you or me.
www.gov.uk/government/news/matt-hancock-...escribing-in-the-nhs
Link above is from last week - written by chief conspiracy theorist Matt Hancock.
But getting back to the subject of diabetic control , I missed when you said how it works in your patients. I know you said its impossible to live without carbs but I don't know any other way apart from the big pharma to doctor to specialist diabetic nurse to patient way of Insulin but that way doesn't seem to stop it killing 26000 diabetics a year, and rising. Once again the link below is only weeks old. I always do my best to keep up to date.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46139595
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sandoval wrote: Medicine is constantly changing but it seems doctors & health care workers churn out what they learnt decades ago so you end up with the blind leading the .


I don't understand why you continue to churn out this propaganda.......:dry:

The Health profession already know how lifestyle influences our health, type 2 Diabetes included.
Education is a high priority......we all know the saying 'prevention is better than cure' and type 2 diabetes like smoking related diseases are preventable.

www.england.nhs.uk/diabetes/diabetes-prevention/
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For a start its a bit late to prevent diabetes when you've had it 15 years. One of the other posters mentioned when he went to a diabetic education class that the Insulin dependant diabetics didn't seem to know much about what they should be eating. It's all very well saying what you say and I'm not going to argue with it but the fact remains that the NHS diet is stuck in the past. Maybe things are changing as we speak but I've not seen any sign of it and I am only speaking from experience - I have no agenda. The last time I saw the diabetic nurse she gave me insulin and a syringe and wished me luck. There is no propaganda in stating that doctors treat diabetes with drugs - £1 billion spend on diabetic drugs proves it. Its a dietary disease which everyone seems to agree but the NHS is still recommending starchy carbs,pasta, fruit and keep to low fat. You can't tackle diabetes with that advice - it might work for pre diabetics but not for over 3 million already diagnosed. There are doctors out there who are diabetic themselves and have reversed their condition : Prof Tim Noakes & Mike Mosley come to mind so why doesn't the NHS copy their diet ? No profit for pharma co's ? I realise the patient has to be willing for it to work but at least they'll know.
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sandoval wrote: Maybe things are changing as we speak but I've not seen any sign of it and I am only speaking from experience -


I am also speaking from experience.

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If you google NHS diabetic diet this pops up :-
"There's nothing you can't eat if you have type 2 diabetes, but you'll have to limit certain foods. ... eat a wide range of foods – including fruit, vegetables and some starchy foods like pasta. keep sugar, fat and salt to a minimum. eat breakfast, lunch and dinner every day – don't skip meals."
I know you are/were a nurse but with respect , anyone following that will end up on Insulin. Unfortunately there are many things a diabetic shouldn't eat - at least not on a daily basis.

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Sandoval, you are not the only one feeling the "you can lead a horse to water " feeling here.

i speak from experience of many years working in primary health care up to and including the present day.

Not really sure what you are objecting to in this NHS advice "There's nothing you can't eat if you have type 2 diabetes, but you'll have to limit certain foods. ... eat a wide range of foods – including fruit, vegetables and some starchy foods like pasta. keep sugar, fat and salt to a minimum. eat breakfast, lunch and dinner every day – don't skip meals."

Limit certain foods is clearly stated there - nobody, including the NHS, is disputing that there are foods a diabetic should not eat every day, or should do so in very limited portions

You seem to be contradicting yourself - first you said NHS doesnt treat it as dietary disease, - but they clearly do or they wouldnt give dietary guidelines - the ones you yourself quote.:unsure:

and you said earlier in thread " I still eat fish and chips and eat chocolate once or twice a week " - so how is that not limiting certain foods as per the NHS guideline?? :unsure: :unsure:

and no, anyone following that would not end up on Insulin - most T2 diabetics do not.
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"limit" certain foods doesn't work. Having a small bag of chips rather than a large one ? its so ambiguous .
I realise I am arguing with non diabetics and I've come to the conclusion that is the problem.
With the dietary advice given by the NHS they wont be treating anyone except with Insulin.
Yes I can eat more carbs NOW because I have tackled Insulin resistance so although I had "normal" food at the weekend my blood is a respectable (for a diabetic at least ) 6.3 I don't have the visceral fat because of intermittent fasting but if I ate "normal" food 7 days a week it would likely come back, so I don't.
According to my diabetic nurse most diabetics do end up on insulin and I have to admit every time I went the queue was longer. Having said that, it often takes over a decade as it did with me.
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IME most diabetics do not end up on insulin - but obviously one increases ones chances of not needing it with good weight control and diet control.

Of course " limit foods is ambiguous" - that's what happens when you pick out one isolated sentence.
Of course people will be able to get more detailed information on specific amounts - one sentence isn't going to tell you everything.

You can think the problem is arguing with non diabetics if you like - but that seems silly to me, like dismissing views of all oncologists because they don't have cancer or of orthopaedic surgeons because they haven't broken a bone themselves :S

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