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Brexit, trade and immigration. 1 week 6 days ago #3552405

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The negotiations are on their last week, some EU countries spokespeople, or those close to the EU side are saying, "not much has changed since August" in terms of areas of disagreement, "Level playing field", "Regulation", and of course "Fishing rights" being the three repeated.

Here is a bit of speculation on my part as to what might happen, while our PM is in forced isolation, should a form of agreement be reached, and it is a fudge of some kind might be possible.

I've said before fishing rights shouldn't of its self scupper all else because of the relatively modest amount of money generated for the UK economy, (not so the Northern Ireland border question), and whilst others disagree, I can accept fishery rights do have a greater significance politically, or symbolically than the money value, so could be used as a way of covering a climb down by one side or the other.

If the EU concedes on fishing rights, and protects their fishing industry by a compensation package, or if the UK concedes on fishing rights, but gains a success on the regulation aspect, some kind of fudged process by which both sides assure comp!iances, with neither side senior to the other, and if agreement can't be reached, a limited opt out of some kind built in perhaps(?) :unsure: smile.png

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Brexit, trade and immigration. 1 week 6 days ago #3552600

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The issue of fishing rights has been widely described as a red herring for the negotiations:

Ukip, Conservative Brexiteers and some fishermen’s leaders would like you to believe that the important battleground in European fishing is Britain versus the rest. It is not.

A more damaging issue, one that transcends national boundaries, is “big” versus “small”. In several EU countries, but most notably in Britain, powerful trawlers and large fishing interests have squeezed out the smaller, more environmentally friendly boats on which local communities depend.

None of this is directly “caused” by the existence of the much-maligned EU fisheries policy. Nor is it certain – despite glittering promises by the UK and Scottish governments – that Brexit will bring much relief to coastal fishermen.

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Small, coastal boats under 10 metres, which make up 77% of the English fleet, currently have the right to catch 3% of the total English catch of quota-controlled fish such as cod, haddock, plaice, sole, herring and mackerel. One super-trawler, British-flagged but ultimately Dutch-owned, has the right to catch 94% of the English herring quota in the Atlantic and North Sea.

A recent investigation by the EU lobby group for coastal fishermen Low Impact Fishers of Europe (Life) uncovered the opaque ownership pattern of the half-dozen fish producer organisations (POs), which possess 97% of English quotas.

The investigation, entitled Fishy Business in the EU, found that one of the English POs belonged, in effect, to a single Dutch company. Another, the Fleetwood PO, is dominated by UK fishing companies controlled by Spanish interests.


www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/j...quotas-uk-government

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Brexit, trade and immigration. 1 week 4 days ago #3553424

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Prospects of a deal of some kind being talked up in this article two days ago, with the issues over fisheries being put into some kind of context by the fact our fishing fleet is relatively small etc.

www.ft.com/content/5425210d-c694-4faf-9d88-b4e20d9f2390


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"In anticipation of a possible deal, Mr Johnson’s parliamentary business managers are drawing up plans for legislation needed to put any trade agreement on to the statute book before January 1."

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Brexit, trade and immigration. 1 week 22 hours ago #3554920

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To re - establish our fishing rights in territorial waters is consistent with our renewed " independence" .
However, I see nothing wrong with granting Fishing licences and quotas to Eu fishermen. Such licences and quotas would have regard to conservation and management of fish stocks, and of course, promoting the UK industry. A reduction in fishing of UK territorial waters by EU fishermen is anticipated. It was surely " as plain as the nose on my face" as soon as the Brexit referendum was passed, and here we are, 3 years and 11 months later, and one month before end of the transition period...and it is still being " discussed" ?
It was said at the outset of Brexit that EU would take negotiations " to the wire" ..that is true!
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Brexit, trade and immigration. 6 days 4 hours ago #3555733

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This looks fun:

Trial of Brexit border checks causes five-mile lorry queues in Kent

M20 backlog caused by French authorities testing post-Brexit checks at the Eurotunnel

Queues of trucks stretching for five miles unexpectedly built up in Kent on Tuesday after the French started a trial of post-Brexit checks.

Lorries on their way across the English channel were forced to stop in long lines up to junction 11 on the M20 as they tried to approach the Eurotunnel entrance just outside Folkestone and the Port of Dover.


www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/24...lorry-queues-in-kent

Delays in food deliveries I'd imagine we can work around, it's mainly medicine deliveries that I'm concerned about tbh.

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Brexit, trade and immigration. 5 days 10 hours ago #3556142

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arthur wrote: This looks fun:

Trial of Brexit border checks causes five-mile lorry queues in Kent

M20 backlog caused by French authorities testing post-Brexit checks at the Eurotunnel

Queues of trucks stretching for five miles unexpectedly built up in Kent on Tuesday after the French started a trial of post-Brexit checks.

Lorries on their way across the English channel were forced to stop in long lines up to junction 11 on the M20 as they tried to approach the Eurotunnel entrance just outside Folkestone and the Port of Dover.


www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/24...lorry-queues-in-kent

Delays in food deliveries I'd imagine we can work around, it's mainly medicine deliveries that I'm concerned about tbh.



Right and there are 9 different paper forms to fill for each imported/exported item!:ohmy: :(
I guess my driving trips to UK are over... will fly from now on...wink.png
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Brexit, trade and immigration. 5 days 52 minutes ago #3556372

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As long as the airplanes don't get five-mile queues for ten hours waiting for customs :)

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Brexit, trade and immigration. 1 day 20 hours ago #3557724

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Latest on Brexit according to a Labour party Brexit supporting guy, speaking on a BBC radio "Any questions" programme....., "the only way in negotiations is to be prepared to walk away" , (how many times have we all heard that truism, and yet even if true, it applies equally to both sides, so how much further forward are you?). :S :dry:

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Brexit, trade and immigration. 1 day 19 hours ago #3557728

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grahamg wrote: Latest on Brexit according to a Labour party Brexit supporting guy, speaking on a BBC radio "Any questions" programme....., "the only way in negotiations is to be prepared to walk away" , (how many times have we all heard that truism, and yet even if true, it applies equally to both sides, so how much further forward are you?). :S :dry:


Yes all those supporting brexit say that walking away is the best option, yet they seem rather intent on not doing that, at all. Wonder why?

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grahamg wrote: Latest on Brexit according to a Labour party Brexit supporting guy, speaking on a BBC radio "Any questions" programme....., "the only way in negotiations is to be prepared to walk away" , (how many times have we all heard that truism, and yet even if true, it applies equally to both sides, so how much further forward are you?). :S :dry:


Yes all those supporting brexit say that walking away is the best option, yet they seem rather intent on not doing that, at all. Wonder why?


Yet again we all end up chasing our own tails!

Where do we really start so far as good reasons for seeking a deal of some kind, starting with peace in Ireland, avoiding high tariffs on farm products, "The city of London financial services sector having unfettered access, security issues, research cooperation, customs checks, food standards, .....:blink: :dry:
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