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The Constitution bars Trump from holding public office ever again..... 3 months 2 weeks ago #3956628

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The Constitution bars Trump from holding public office ever again
Opinion by Donald K. Sherman, opinion contributo

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The Constitution bars Trump from holding public office ever again..... 3 months 2 weeks ago #3956636

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Trump Cannot Run for President According to New Study – Here Are the Reasons For His Disqualification
Story by Keegan Leighty • 13h


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The Constitution bars Trump from holding public office ever again..... 3 months 2 weeks ago #3956685

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I have seen two articles from the Federalist Society that say the same thing. If the State officials declare that, he will not get on any ballot.

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The Constitution bars Trump from holding public office ever again..... 3 months 2 weeks ago #3956702

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What does the law state- Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

The right to remove disabilities imposed by this Section was exercised by Congress at different times on behalf of enumerated individuals.1 In 1872, the disabilities were removed, by a blanket act, from all persons except Senators and Representatives of the Thirty-sixth and Thirty-seventh Congresses, officers in the judicial, military and naval service of the United States, heads of departments, and foreign ministers of the United States.2 Twenty-six years later, Congress enacted that the disability imposed by section 3 . . . incurred heretofore, is hereby removed.3

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Guess the supreme Court has no say.

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The Constitution bars Trump from holding public office ever again..... 3 months 2 weeks ago #3956709

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I am not a Constitutional lawyer, but from the readings lately, I don't believe that Section 3 has been voided. I guess as his four trials and the will of the people will decide that.

The previous president will never be reelected. I will give odds on that statement. If not reelected for pres., he surely will not run for anything else. If all 19 defendents are found guilty and serve prison terms, so should the previous president.

As a side note Guliani was crying how he a lawyer, how can he be arrested.
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The Constitution bars Trump from holding public office ever again..... 3 months 2 weeks ago #3956714

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well Don you are wrong again he hasn't been convicted of anything yet

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The Constitution bars Trump from holding public office ever again..... 3 months 2 weeks ago #3956717

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The 14th amendment doesn't need a conviction of a crime. Not sure where some get information. Ole previous president will be convicted of something, hopefully in all four courts.
He better shut his mouth and quit tampering with witness and intimidation, he might find himself in the slammer somewhere.
He is one of the more useless human beings, the human race has had to endure.
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The Constitution bars Trump from holding public office ever again..... 3 months 2 weeks ago #3956720

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GerryM wrote: I am not a Constitutional lawyer, but from the readings lately, I don't believe that Section 3 has been voided. I guess as his four trials and the will of the people will decide that.

The previous president will never be reelected. I will give odds on that statement. If not reelected for pres., he surely will not run for anything else. If all 19 defendents are found guilty and serve prison terms, so should the previous president.

As a side note Guliani was crying how he a lawyer, how can he be arrested.


I thought Guiliani was crying because when he went to Trump to beg for his money that Trump owed him for services rendered and Trump just laughed and threw him out.

Guiliani is broke, mostly because of Trump, and he is not alone among the lawyers Trump employed who haven't been paid, despite Trump grifting millions from his gullible supporters. His current lawyers I understand were paid upfront, if the work goes longer than the payment calculated they themselves might just up and walk out, mid trial even. I suppose Trump could get a Public Defender in that circumstance.
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The Constitution bars Trump from holding public office ever again..... 3 months 2 weeks ago #3956722

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Robin wrote: What does the law state- Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

The right to remove disabilities imposed by this Section was exercised by Congress at different times on behalf of enumerated individuals.1 In 1872, the disabilities were removed, by a blanket act, from all persons except Senators and Representatives of the Thirty-sixth and Thirty-seventh Congresses, officers in the judicial, military and naval service of the United States, heads of departments, and foreign ministers of the United States.2 Twenty-six years later, Congress enacted that the disability imposed by section 3 . . . incurred heretofore, is hereby removed.3

2 minute law degree say otherwise

Guess the supreme Court has no say.


You seem not to understand what "incurred heretofore" actually means. Simply they removed the disabilities from anyone who had such before the enactment of this provision, a blanket pardon if you like, people committing acts after that date are not pardoned, they do not have their disabilities removed.

You have to read this in context of the Civil War, the end of which gave rise to the need to disqualify "traitors" from serving in any US Government Federal, State or Local.

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Govenor Newsom of California has moved to bar Trumps name from appearing on ballot papers in that State due to his disqualification under the 14th Amendment. If this holds, as most legal scholars believe it would and should, Trump has no chance of winning the next Presidential election. California has 55 electoral votes, which is the most of any state. So, if you remove California from the equation, the total number of electoral votes remaining is 538 - 55 = 483.

To win the presidency in the Electoral College, a candidate needs to win 270 electoral votes. So, without California, Trump would need to win 270/483 * 100 = 56.03% of the remaining electoral votes.

In the Electoral College, Biden would need to win 270 electoral votes assuming he automatically gained California's 55 electoral votes, he would need to win 215 electoral votes from the other 49 states and the District of Columbia.

There are a number of states that Biden could win excluding California. These include:

New York (29 electoral votes)
Pennsylvania (20 electoral votes)
Michigan (16 electoral votes)
Wisconsin (10 electoral votes)
Minnesota (10 electoral votes)
New Jersey (14 electoral votes)
Virginia (13 electoral votes)
Colorado (9 electoral votes)
Nevada (6 electoral votes)
New Hampshire (4 electoral votes)
Maine (4 electoral votes)

If Biden were to win all of these states, he would have 228 electoral votes, which plus CA is more than enough to win the presidency.

California is the first to exclude Trump under the 14th Amendment, as the pressure grows, Trumps trials commence and the election gets closer, other States will feel obligated to state their positions and take action. For Trump the election could become unwinnable before the first vote is cast.

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