Vegemite Kid wrote:

Robin wrote: Trump was calling the shot as he was being advised. In hindsight, it appears to be the right call about the masks.

I disagree.

Many times he was advised by CDC and did not follow medical advice - that isnt calling the shots as he was advised

he pooh poohed medical advice and encouraged followers to do likewise.

Again, possibly you did not see how many times CDC were changing the minds on things. You can easily look that information up.
I personally do not follow information when the people putting out information keep changing their minds. I do not follow people like. Hell, I remember they want us to were two masks at a time.
The CDC had two departments between them and the White House and that was one of the things bothering me, what was the CDC putting out information when the higher department heads were not doing it.
And that what I've been saying on several different conversations, people do not understand the US government system.

Vegemite Kid wrote:

Robin wrote: The left mouth piece was saying it will take 12 to 18 months to get a vaccine for CIVID and Trump stated it would be done before the end of the year, and it was.

not sure how that is a plus for Trump though - happening to predict vaccine development time line right

He had no hand in development of vaccine or in timeline of such.

There again, Trump used his authority to fund and push the vaccine process and his advisors were correct and the CDC was wrong, again. So, yes Trump's hand was in the pot. Easy information to look up, Trump provided 2.3 billion dollars for research of COVID 19 research to multiple research facilities.

All this information is out there.

Robin wrote:

Vegemite Kid wrote:

Robin wrote: I don't think Trump politicalized COVID, if on looks back, Trump tried to stop travel for China before the mass spread, but It was politicalized calling Trump actions were being racist.

that wasnt what I was referring to - he made it into a political divide within the country - we all saw people with MAGA hats standing up for non masking, non vaccinating etc

That is a mis-understanding, that "MAGA" was his campaign motto from three years previously, just like Biden motto "Build Back Better" it had nothing to do with COVID.

"MAGA" is like a flag, openly showing who the are supporting. And that is what a lot of Americans do, examples: "BLM", "LGBTQ " etc.,

No I wasn't saying MAGA slogan itself had anything to do with Covid - I was saying rallies of people wearing MAGA hats and protesting against masks, vaccines, regulations, showed how politicised covid had been made in US

Robin wrote:

Vegemite Kid wrote:

Robin wrote: Trump was calling the shot as he was being advised. In hindsight, it appears to be the right call about the masks.

I disagree.

Many times he was advised by CDC and did not follow medical advice - that isnt calling the shots as he was advised

he pooh poohed medical advice and encouraged followers to do likewise.

Again, possibly you did not see how many times CDC were changing the minds on things. You can easily look that information up.
I personally do not follow information when the people putting out information keep changing their minds. I do not follow people like. Hell, I remember they want us to were two masks at a time.
The CDC had two departments between them and the White House and that was one of the things bothering me, what was the CDC putting out information when the higher department heads were not doing it.
And that what I've been saying on several different conversations, people do not understand the US government system.

No I do not think CDC kept changing their minds.

Adding to information or adjusting recomendations as new information comes to light isn't changing your mind.it is the way medical science always works.

The basic health recomendations did not change in US or anywhere else.

Vegemite Kid wrote:

Robin wrote:

Vegemite Kid wrote:

Robin wrote: Trump was calling the shot as he was being advised. In hindsight, it appears to be the right call about the masks.

I disagree.

Many times he was advised by CDC and did not follow medical advice - that isnt calling the shots as he was advised

he pooh poohed medical advice and encouraged followers to do likewise.

Again, possibly you did not see how many times CDC were changing the minds on things. You can easily look that information up.
I personally do not follow information when the people putting out information keep changing their minds. I do not follow people like. Hell, I remember they want us to were two masks at a time.
The CDC had two departments between them and the White House and that was one of the things bothering me, what was the CDC putting out information when the higher department heads were not doing it.
And that what I've been saying on several different conversations, people do not understand the US government system.

No I do not think CDC kept changing their minds.

Adding to information or adjusting recomendations as new information comes to light isn't changing your mind.it is the way medical science always works.

The basic health recomendations did not change in US or anywhere else.

Had a whole page written then realized that this was getting off topic and not the 2023 presidential race. So I would be more then happy to discuss that in detail under a new Topic.

In this 2024 presidential race, do you think Biden will start his campaign with townhalls and debates to discuss the issues that affect Americans such as high inflation, immigration, crime rate, Ukraine, Taiwan, termination , gun control, artificial intelligence, pharmaceuticals and energy?
Or will he disappear into the basement and let the media campaign for him? Will he use a Stalin approach and blame Trump like Stalin blamed Trotsky and cover up disasters by blaming the peasants themselves, as well as underlings and political opponents?

Have no idea on how Biden will present his side, if it be from in person or a method of broadcast. He will lose even more respect from me if it done via broadcast metheds where questions can not be asked. iMO, i don't think he can handle it off the cuff,

some of his main points are going to be about the lowest unemployment, in which the average American knows why that is. Biden will use "it was Trumps fault" excuse a lot of times. They gambling place may want to put odds on how many times that will be used.

again. IMO, there will be a lot of explaining to be done on the blunders along Biden path. the only thing i can guarantee in my voting, still has not selected my candidate but it will not be Biden. That all i am sure of at this point.

No Biden here for sure either!

“Last month, the United States government told 30 million people it was cutting their food stamp checks by 90%," he continued. "It took 15 million people off Medicare. The same month it gave $300 million to the Silicon Valley Bank and tapped up the cost of the Ukraine war to $113 billion. We're sending $113 billion to the Ukraine. The entire budget of EPA is $12 billion. The budget of CDC is $11 billion. We have 57% of American citizens could not put their hands on $1,000 if they have an emergency. A quarter of our citizens are hungry. So we're cutting welfare and food stamps by 90%."

-Democratic presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy, Jr

Curious as to how this former attorney and anti-vaccine activist will be portrayed by Biden and the media

where and why do you suppose he is travelling all through the US during the last six months for sure. He is out seeing America and its citizens. What did the previous president do? Played golf, and held rallies. Pretended to be a big truck driver.

Today the President and Jill are out in the US constantly. He still has time to hold state dinners and receptions.

Not sure I the present President in the same light.