Another thing that keeps pushed out of the picture is there was a shortage of ventilators for the COVID patients, that were not restocked by another administration before Trump. And Trump used his governments authority for making companies start producing them.

And looking back, there were only around 200,000 COVID related deaths under Trump's administration, about 14 months time period. At the two year mark of Biden administration there was around one million COVID related death, at 24 month time period.

Other thing, IMO, working against Biden is, he tapped into our war reserves of oil and he still has not replenished it.

And carrying over about the withdrawal from Afghanistan that missed the withdrawal date being missed. Even with the excuse, that there wasn't enough time to coordinate the May withdrawal, the Biden administration did not even coordinate for the evacuation plan in August.
Do to the lack of coordination American were left behind and private organizations had to go back in and get Americans out. And the Biden administration was even letting the rescuers land at military bases outside of Afghanistan.
And then again, in Sudan, the Biden administration did not even coordinate and emergency evacuation plan for Sudan.

IMO, I always thought the COVID pandemic was blown out of proportion and I think Trump was heading down the right road and honestly felt people were at a lose on what to do and when the CDC got involved, everything got blown out of proportion.
IMO I believe Trump was letting me know thing they can do to make themselves feel better, not promising nothing.
But the Biden administration, under the advise Dr. Fauci, that's not even in the food chain, telling the Biden administration bad information, that created the economy failure in the US.

generally, a load of rubbish. Your opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I am sure the bleach idea would get him a medal from Dr Josef Mengele.

Robin wrote: I don't think Trump politicalized COVID, if on looks back, Trump tried to stop travel for China before the mass spread, but It was politicalized calling Trump actions were being racist.

that wasnt what I was referring to - he made it into a political divide within the country - we all saw people with MAGA hats standing up for non masking, non vaccinating etc

Robin wrote: Trump was calling the shot as he was being advised. In hindsight, it appears to be the right call about the masks.

I disagree.

Many times he was advised by CDC and did not follow medical advice - that isnt calling the shots as he was advised

he pooh poohed medical advice and encouraged followers to do likewise.

Robin wrote: The left mouth piece was saying it will take 12 to 18 months to get a vaccine for CIVID and Trump stated it would be done before the end of the year, and it was.

not sure how that is a plus for Trump though - happening to predict vaccine development time line right

He had no hand in development of vaccine or in timeline of such.

Vegemite Kid wrote:

Robin wrote: I don't think Trump politicalized COVID, if on looks back, Trump tried to stop travel for China before the mass spread, but It was politicalized calling Trump actions were being racist.

that wasnt what I was referring to - he made it into a political divide within the country - we all saw people with MAGA hats standing up for non masking, non vaccinating etc

That is a mis-understanding, that "MAGA" was his campaign motto from three years previously, just like Biden motto "Build Back Better" it had nothing to do with COVID.

"MAGA" is like a flag, openly showing who the are supporting. And that is what a lot of Americans do, examples: "BLM", "LGBTQ " etc.,