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Efforts to Change Election Results 1 week 5 days ago #3577781

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Serena77 wrote: The stupidest thing is not being able to see ahead, as to what
is in front of your faces.

Our civil liberties are at stake. The Democrats are allowing these
mega-corporations to rule the USA Of course, there must be something
in it for them. Mega donations, handouts, and favors to their favorite party.

Beware, they're coming for you next!

They can negate and blank anyone. They are allowing this to happen.


I agree with most of what you say here. But the Republicans are just as if not more beholden to corporate influence and money. And we should not let Democrats off the hook in that regard.
The corporations already have a hold on our government and we need to overturn Citizens United which gives corporations the ability to throw as much money as they want at an election.
As much as Trump says corporations are doing us bad his actions do not align with his words, look at his cabinet and the tax cuts! I'm not happy with some of Biden's picks either.
“Someone has said that it requires less mental effort to condemn than to think.”
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Efforts to Change Election Results 1 week 5 days ago #3577870

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grahamg wrote:

Mawai wrote:
Many main european media present GAFAM, the Big Five as abusive monopolies influencing the political and social life of countries to the detriment of the public interest!

They exceed their rights to block the public speech of Trump which represents 74 million voters! A score never reached by a Republican in a presidential election!

Like any private group, they should rely on the judiciary and not do justice themselves.

The Trump administration started to implement anti-trust laws!

Yes we are a long way from Biden's unifying message. The Democrats in the person of Nancy Pelosi in their impeachment process is aimed at only one thing...

Prevent Trump from forming a representative political party in 2022 and then get a candidate for the next presidential elections in 2024!

Not very democratic all that, we could say sarcastically!


I'd suggest watching the television footage available of the impeachment process being undertaken now in Congress, and in particular listen to the speeches of the Republicans in favour of this action, "before finally making your mind up as to the Democrats purposes".

If I were advising the Democrats I'd suggest going ahead with the impeachment trial, only to be completed after Joe Biden takes up office after all, or regardless of this fact, but not bring the further legislation we've learned is necessary to prevent Trump standing in 2024 for president, (I think it in their interests if Trump continues to wreak havoc in the Republican party, seeking their nomination again, although I would prefer given the choice to never hear of him again, " period"!).


We now know ten Republicans voted in favour of impeachment in the House of Representatives, (this is correct isn't it). I don't know how many abstained, if any, but it is a considerable number in any event, and unfortunately I have not caught any of their speech's yet, those Republicans standing up to Trump, and no doubt in the process making themselves a target for any bully boy sent to try to intimidate elected office holders by any connected to the man who claimed a desire to "drain the swamp"!

In the circumstances of a sitting president unwilling to accept the result of an election, even after is it fifty attempts to get courts to believe whatever evidence they could drag up meant there was sufficient electoral fraud, so he'd had his day in court over this as had his supporters too, again unwilling to accept the result, or about half of Trump supporters we're told, and all this unprecedented, destructive behaviour is to be allowed to go on, without even mentioning the protest/attacks/sedition on Capitol Hill last week, by these self styled "patriots".

Well don't you think it incumbent now, more than ever, for anyone sticking up for ztrump to listen to what members of Trumps own party who reject his message are saying, they're not Democrats you can attack for being members of the Democratic party_ they're from your side?
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Serena77 wrote:

Aida wrote: Beware Extremists masquerading as Patriots. Batten down the hatches.


Yes, agreed. Both sides.


Anyone still asserting Joe Biden did not win the presidential election fair and square isn't really interested in seeing both sides of anything I'd suggest. (I'm not sure of the position on this any Trump supporters here have taken individually btw, so apologies to anyone I'm doing an injustice to ) :unsure: !
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Efforts to Change Election Results 1 week 5 days ago #3577969

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Well in his efforts to change the election results one thing has stayed completely consistent in Trump world, after all the "work" Rudy has done to try and convince judges that there were irregularities, Trump has instructed his staff not to pay any of Rudy's bills for that work. In a further money grabbing exercise he has also stated that he will personally review Rudy's expenses before they are reimbursed. A snake is always going to be a snake.

Al Wilson - The Snake

On her way to work one morning
Down the path along side the lake
A tender hearted woman saw a poor half frozen snake
His pretty colored skin had been all frosted with the dew
"Poor thing, " she cried, "I'll take you in and I'll take care of you"
"Take me in tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in, tender woman, " sighed the snake
She wrapped him up all cozy in a comforter of silk
And laid him by her fireside with some honey and some milk
She hurried home from work that night and soon as she arrived
She found that pretty snake she'd taken to had been revived
"Take me in, tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in, tender woman, " sighed the snake
She clutched him to her bosom, "You're so beautiful, " she cried
"But if I hadn't brought you in by now you might have died"
She stroked his pretty skin again and kissed and held him tight
Instead of saying thanks, the snake gave her a vicious bite
"Take me in, tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in, tender woman, " sighed the snake
"I saved you, " cried the woman
"And you've bitten me, but why?
You know your bite is poisonous and now I'm going to die"
"Oh shut up, silly woman, " said the reptile with a grin
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in
"Take me in, tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in, tender woman, " sighed the snake
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Songwriters: Oscar Brown Jr.
The Snake lyrics © Warner Chappell Music, Inc, Carlin America Inc
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Efforts to Change Election Results 1 week 5 days ago #3577988

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Have I misheard this or is it a mistake in the speech?

I've just watched the video of Trump's YouTube message and he said

" I CANNOT emphasise that there must be no violence, no law breaking. and no vandalism of any kind"

that can't be correct can it?
There is a crack ... a crack in everything .... That's how the light gets in.

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cahoots wrote: Have I misheard this or is it a mistake in the speech?

I've just watched the video of Trump's YouTube message and he said

" I CANNOT emphasise that there must be no violence, no law breaking. and no vandalism of any kind"

that can't be correct can it?


Yes that was correct, it's the speech you give when your lawyers tell you you're in a whole heap of trouble and you're back peddling at a hundred miles an hour to try and save your skin.

There is another nuanced take on it as well in that he can't say there must be no violence, because he wants violence, he can't say the must be no law breaking, because he knows his supporters will break the law and he can't say there should be no vandalism because he wants vandalism. So he can't emphasise that there cannot be any of these things, he just can't do it.
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Efforts to Change Election Results 1 week 5 days ago #3578054

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I personally find it difficult to believe a word that drips like acid from Trump’s lying lips.
Is it possible he is not fully aware of what he is saying ?
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Aida wrote:
I personally find it difficult to believe a word that drips like acid from Trump’s lying lips.
Is it possible he is not fully aware of what he is saying ?


Mike Pence, vice president who rioters blamed last week for not doing Trumps bidding as they saw it, even though he didn't have the power to do whatever it was he was asked to do to frustrate Joe Bidens electoral college votes getting counted, or accept, nonetheless, it would appear, think Trump is sane and rational, because if he didn't he'd invoke article 25 is it, (so the excuse you seek to make for Trump would appear to be closed off!
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Efforts to Change Election Results 1 week 5 days ago #3578097

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cahoots wrote: Have I misheard this or is it a mistake in the speech?

I've just watched the video of Trump's YouTube message and he said

" I CANNOT emphasise that there must be no violence, no law breaking. and no vandalism of any kind"

that can't be correct can it?


That little speech was written for him. Not so sure its what he means. We will see. Anytime trump speaks coherently, hes on script.
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Efforts to Change Election Results 1 week 5 days ago #3578109

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KayyGee wrote: Well in his efforts to change the election results one thing has stayed completely consistent in Trump world, after all the "work" Rudy has done to try and convince judges that there were irregularities, Trump has instructed his staff not to pay any of Rudy's bills for that work. In a further money grabbing exercise he has also stated that he will personally review Rudy's expenses before they are reimbursed. A snake is always going to be a snake.

Al Wilson - The Snake

On her way to work one morning
Down the path along side the lake
A tender hearted woman saw a poor half frozen snake
His pretty colored skin had been all frosted with the dew
"Poor thing, " she cried, "I'll take you in and I'll take care of you"
"Take me in tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in, tender woman, " sighed the snake
She wrapped him up all cozy in a comforter of silk
And laid him by her fireside with some honey and some milk
She hurried home from work that night and soon as she arrived
She found that pretty snake she'd taken to had been revived
"Take me in, tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in, tender woman, " sighed the snake
She clutched him to her bosom, "You're so beautiful, " she cried
"But if I hadn't brought you in by now you might have died"
She stroked his pretty skin again and kissed and held him tight
Instead of saying thanks, the snake gave her a vicious bite
"Take me in, tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in, tender woman, " sighed the snake
"I saved you, " cried the woman
"And you've bitten me, but why?
You know your bite is poisonous and now I'm going to die"
"Oh shut up, silly woman, " said the reptile with a grin
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in
"Take me in, tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in, tender woman, " sighed the snake
Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Oscar Brown Jr.
The Snake lyrics © Warner Chappell Music, Inc, Carlin America Inc



What's your source for this allegation about Guilliani?

BTW I have seen vids showing the security letting in the protestors - they opened the gates, plain as day. Now why would they do that? I believe nothing anymore from the Trump hating media or their friends in the political world.
There are reports that the violence was preplanned and nothing to do with Trump who called for his supporters to 'peacefully and patriotically let your voices be heard',

Not once in his entire speech does he incite violence or disorder. If he had CNN et al would be running it on a loop 24/7.
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