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US dumps Kurdish allies, supports Turkey´s move into Syria 2 weeks 1 day ago #3324877

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Very nice, this new move.

White House reveals policy shift following conversation between Trump and Erdoğan

The White House has given the green light to a Turkish offensive into northern Syria, moving US forces out of the area in an abrupt foreign policy change that will in effect abandon the Kurds, Washington’s longtime military partner.

Kurdish forces have spearheaded the campaign against Islamic State in the region, but the policy swerve, after a phone conversation between Donald Trump and Recep Tayyip Erdoğan on Sunday, means Turkey would take custody of captured Isis fighters, the White House said.

It has also raised fears of fresh fighting between Turkey and Kurdish forces in Syria’s complex war now the US no longer acts as a buffer between the two sides.

Trump defended his decision, saying the Kurds were “paid massive amounts of money and equipment” to fight and that he was leaving the fight against Isis to others for the time being.

“We are 7,000 miles away,” he tweeted, while vowing to crush the extremist movement “if they come anywhere near us”.

The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) said on Monday its US partners had already begun withdrawing troops from areas along Turkey’s border. Footage aired on Kurdish news agency Hawar purportedly showed US armoured vehicles evacuating key positions near the towns of Ras al-Ayn and Tal Abyad in the border region. Erdoğan also confirmed the development in remarks to reporters in Ankara.

The SDF spokesman, Mustafa Bali, accused the US of leaving the area to “turn into a war zone”, adding that the SDF would “defend north-east Syria at all costs”.

A statement from the Turkish foreign minister, Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu, said Ankara had “supported the territorial integrity of Syria since the beginning of the crisis and will continue to do so … [We are] determined to ensure survivability and security of Turkey by clearing the region from terrorists.”

The decision represents the latest in a series of erratic moves by Trump, who is fighting impeachment at home, apparently taken without consultation with, or knowledge of, US diplomats dealing with Syria, or the UK and France, the US’s main international partners in the country.

Senator Lindsey Graham, a staunch Trump loyalist on most issues, told Fox News the move represented “a big win for Iran and Assad and a big win for Isis."

He vowed that Congress would pass a resolution reversing the decision. “Isis is not defeated. This is the biggest lie being told by this administration,” Graham said.

Brett McGurk, a former US special envoy for the fight against Isis, said the White House statement demonstrated “a complete lack of understanding of anything happening on the ground”.

McGurk pointed out that the US is not holding any Isis detainees. They are being held by the SDF, “which Trump just served up to Turkey”.
www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/07/us...oning-kurdish-allies

Is this the new policy of how a country treats their allies?
Do these dumbos have any idea of what has happened between Turkey and its Kurd-population?

Kurds have had a long history of discrimination and massacres perpetrated against them by the Turkish government.

In an attempt to deny their existence, the Turkish government categorized Kurds as "Mountain Turks" until the 1980s.

The words "Kurds", "Kurdistan", or "Kurdish" are officially banned by the Turkish government.

Following the military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in public and private life.
Many people who spoke, published, or sang in Kurdish were arrested and imprisoned.

Food embargoes were placed on Kurdish populated villages and towns.

There were many instances of Kurds being forcefully deported out of their villages by Turkish security forces.
Many villages were reportedly set on fire or destroyed.

Throughout the 1990s and early 2000s, political parties that represented Kurdish interests were banned.

In Turkey Kurds suffer systematic executions of civilians, torturing, forced displacements, destroyed villages,arbitrary arrests, murdered and disappeared Kurdish journalists, activists and politicians.

And now the US dumps the Kurds, even if they were their main ally in Syria, and leaves the Kurds to the mercy odf Turkey?

Lovely move...US-allies, watch your backs!
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The poor Kurds seem to do everyone's dirty work and ALWAYS get abandoned once their usefulness is over. The US is just the latest in a long line of governments to do this.
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This is a disaster in the making!

I can't believe we are abandoning our allies to be slaughtered. If I were a foreign country battling beside the U.S., I'd pull my troops now and let the U.S. fight alone.
The US can't be trusted. The US has no honor anymore.

Destabilized and people fleeing, really that's the plan?
That's always the plan. Leaders are failures if they cannot resolve conflict and protect the innocent.
Question, did we recently sale arms to Turkey and for how much?
What companies in the the US or other countries will profit?

We're witnessing the unraveling of a once powerful nation. When ignorant, narcissistic and unqualified persons gain power this is the inevitable outcome. Total meltdown and ultimate collapse.
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Defying Pentagon, Trump Backs Turkish Operation in Syria Targeting U.S.-backed Kurds

U.S.-backed militia says American forces failed to meet their commitments, as Washington informs Kurds it wouldn't protect them against imminent Turkish incursion into northeastern Syria to 'clear terrorist elements'

American troops began withdrawing Monday from their positions along Turkey's border in northeastern Syria, in a major shift in U.S. policy harshly criticized by its Kurdish allies, which came despite Pentagon officials' support for maintaining American presence in the region.

The partial pullout comes ahead of an anticipated Turkish invasion, which U.S. President Donald Trump endorsed in a Sunday phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and that U.S.-backed Kurdish-led forces say will overturn five years of achievements in the battle against the Islamic State group.

"Despite our efforts to avoid any military escalation with Turkey and the flexibility we have shown to move forward in establishing a mechanism for the security of the borders ..., the American forces did not fulfill their commitments and withdrew their forces from the border areas with Turkey," U.S-backed Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces, which controls most of the area, said in a statement.

A U.S. official told Reuters the United States informed the commander of the SDF forces on Monday morning that it will not defend them from Turkish attacks anywhere.

"We will not hesitate for a moment in defending our people" against Turkish troops, the Syrian Kurdish force said, adding that it has lost 11,000 fighters in the war against ISIS in Syria.

The Kurdish fighters also control the al-Hol camp, home to more than 70,000 mostly wives and children of IS fighters.

Omar said the U.S. troop withdrawal from the border will have "catastrophic consequences" because Kurdish-led forces would be preoccupied with defending the border, instead of protecting detention facilities or the crowded al-Hol camp which houses over 73,000 people, many of them ISIS families and supporters.

The American statement came after Erdogan and Trump discussed in a phone call Turkey's plans to establish a "safe zone" east of the Euphrates River in Syria.

The Turkish presidency said after the call that Erdogan and Trump had agreed to meet in Washington next month, following an invitation by the U.S. president.

The call came a day after Erdogan said a military incursion into northeastern Syria was imminent, after Ankara accused Washington of stalling efforts to establish a "safe zone" there together.

During the phone call, Erdogan expressed his frustration with the failure of U.S. military and security officials to implement the agreement between the two countries, the Turkish presidency said.

Erdogan also reiterated the necessity of the safe zone to eliminate the threats from the Syrian Kurdish YPG militia, which Ankara considers a terrorist organisation, and to create the conditions necessary for the return of Syrian refugees, it said.

The ties between the allies have also been pressured over Turkey's purchase of Russian S-400 defense missiles and the trial of local U.S. consulate employees in Turkey.
www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/d...cked-kurds-1.7950055

(Somehow one wonders if this conversation is recorded too? Will Turkey buy US weapons after they wipe out the Kurds, instead of Russian arms?)
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US dumps Kurdish allies, supports Turkey´s move into Syria 2 weeks 1 day ago #3324979

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No, no, no, no, no! This is madness.
I cannot fully express my thoughts on reading this - every word would be against Buzz posting rules.
Just reading his twittering justifications for betraying his allies with excuses of how well the Kurds have been paid to help defeat ISIS and guard the prisoners - and how the US is 7,000 miles away and he can “easily crush the extremist movement if it comes anywhere near us” just turns my stomach.
MAGA.
Every decision he makes tells me that Money is the God he worships ...

“a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing”
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"As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom , consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey"

No words accepted here can describe the arrogant idiot and his idiotic actions..."great and unmatched wisdom"...indeed....the words of the "stable genius"...when will some people see what kind of ***** this guy is?

Or will they continue to "follow their leader" (trump-quote)?

There was a leader once, in his language he was called the Führer, he was followed too, by ignorant stupid people.

When will America be made great again?
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Donald Trump appeared to backpedal after giving Turkey a green light to attack U.S.-allied Kurdish forces in northern Syria, warning Ankara in a tweet that he would “totally destroy and obliterate” the country’s economy if it takes unspecified “off limits” actions.

The president drew fierce criticism Monday from congressional allies for a White House statement the previous night that the U.S. wouldn’t stand in the way of a Turkish incursion into Syria. The announcement, which followed a call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, marked an abrupt change in U.S. posture.

Trump Whipsaws on Turkey as Threat Follows Green Light on Syria

The United States is a democracy! the elected counterpowers of the people exist and work!
Defend our international views but do not insult their elected officials.
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US dumps Kurdish allies, supports Turkey´s move into Syria 2 weeks 1 day ago #3325057

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Today is Vladimir Putin birthday, this must be Trump gift to him...such good timing!
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Donald J. Trump 8:38 AM - 7 Oct 2019

"As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over..."

Trump is sacrificing an entire ancient civilization, an entire nationality, for what? To make the Turks happy? They abandoned the US and NATO long ago and he is trying to make them happy?

This is probably what is going to happen, the Turks will exterminate the Kurds like they did with the Armenians.
These are people who stood side by side with US troops against ISIS and fought with our soldiers.
And now this eunuch is saying adios, muchachos. Have fun fighting Erdogan.
This removes any protection from the Turks who’ve been at odds with the Kurds for decades.

This means a certain death to Kurdish men, women and children.
It's not in the US interest to do this, it's more Russia interest and that's why Trump is doing it.

Maybe he's trying to be the most prolific mass murder in history because the amount of verbal diarrhea that comes out of this vile man is matched only by a famous German dictator.

Unmatched wisdom??? He thinks he's the reincarnation of Christ!
Can't Republicans and his cult see that he's mentally ill?
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I have mixed feelings about this move, yes 100% it is wrong for the US to abandon their allies, but it's not the first time and not the first time they have abandoned the Kurds, the last time they were gassed by Saddam using chemicals supplied by the US.

However it is also my view that the US should never have been in Syria in the first place, illegally and against the wishes of the sovereign Government. And for clarity the US is not leaving Syria entirely they are just relocating back towards the Iraqi border. If they are going to leave they should leave completely.

And there seems to be no answer as to what to do about the 10-60 thousand Daesh members and their families that we in the west were happy to let the Kurds look after, on the promise of course that we would have their back. I guess when they pull the knife out of that back they'll return the favor and just abandon the Daesh detainees to their fate and let them loose and the west will wear some of the blood and pain that they are facing.
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