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Another Trump Thread 2 months 1 week ago #3171411

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Dennis 2 wrote: Wrong, I do have more trust for those with LTC than others that do not as I know what they have had checked from the issuance background checks, regular citizens I know nothing about, also those having the LTC have the LOWEST crime rate of any group of the population proven from state factual data. So I would trust them much more than other segments of society.


Fair enough, you know your own country obviously, and maybe I'm extra cautious or suspicious of others than most.

Anyway, back to the thread topic hey!

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Another Trump Thread 2 months 1 week ago #3172293

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Serena77 wrote: It was a strong speech. I believe it was approved by 76% of viewers.


Even if this was a poll amongst all US citizens, it didnt do him much good though...

"The State of the Union address was a golden opportunity for President Donald Trump to reset his presidency, create a blueprint for the next two years of his administration, and launch his uphill battle for reelection. He failed on all fronts.

The president’s approval ratings hover around 40 percent, a shockingly low number, given the robust health of the economy. The only other recent presidents whose approval ratings reached such lows were President Ronald Reagan, in the midst of a recession, and President George W. Bush, during the worst years of the Iraq War.

Instead, Trump just kept deepening the hole he has dug for himself and his party, doubling down on hard-line demands for a wall that the country doesn’t want and that congressional Democrats will never fund. What did he learn from his first government shutdown that he thinks will change a second time around?

The president also used the speech to make calls for bipartisanship and unity that sounded neither sincere nor authentic. For three years, Trump has shown himself to be a divider, not a uniter; a partisan and not bipartisan.

Trump devoted a mere 140 words to Afghanistan, 118 to trade with China, and 62 to Venezuela. By contrast, he devoted 463 words to immigration and 180 to the wall—a total of 643 words on a subject where he is bound to lose. Think about that. Trump spent twice as much time trying to coax a political lead balloon into flight than highlighting these three promising areas.

Similarly, the president lip-synched political pablum about bipartisanship and unity that no one buys from him.

Being willing to support objectives that garner bipartisan support is what it actually means to be bipartisan. Feigning bipartisanship with an obvious head fake is a good way to get legislators in the chamber to groan while Americans at home hit the mute button and head to the fridge.

Using the past as a guide, Trump could have set the stage for future wins, reset his presidency heading into reelection, and proved he has grown and matured in office. Instead, at the State of the Union, he came up short as he has done time and again throughout his presidency."
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/0...-malpractice/582304/

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Serena77 wrote: As you will. We still have freedom of speech and I and countless of other Americans will assuredly continue to do what is right! The danger, my friend, is in the Left Democratic rule!


Sounds a bit dictatorial...every dictator and religious leader and their blind comrades insist of doing ´the right thing´ and knowing ´the truth´.

And were one is so nice to grant other freedom of speech one should perhaps not be so mordacious to someone with a different view.

Oh well, some people never learn...

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Serena77 wrote: As you will. We still have freedom of speech and I and countless of other Americans will assuredly continue to do what is right! The danger, my friend, is in the Left Democratic rule!


Sounds a bit dictatorial...every dictator and religious leader and their blind comrades insist of doing ´the right thing´ and knowing ´the truth´.

And were one is so nice to grant other freedom of speech one should perhaps not be so mordacious to someone with a different view.

Oh well, some people never learn...



Exactly! Some people never learn! Nancy Pelosi is not doing anything to tone down the Socialist tone of the Left wing members of her party. There means she is full assent swinging from the moderate left to the far let. All the
Democratic Presidential hopefuls have a Socialist point of view. It may sound good to some people but the end result is anathema and destruction. This article is right on!


What does it have to do with the topic? It is clearly evident that .


Look at all the Socialist countries, the most recent Venezuela and where did their Socialist Communist government take them. Down a whirlwind path o destruction and starvation.
www.cityam.com/article/1393351308/how-so...-destroyed-venezuela
Venezuela was once South America’s richest country, taking in immigrants from all over the world. For many years, it was also a remarkable democracy in a region where most nations were ruled by military dictatorships. Today, socialism has turned Venezuela into an authoritarian basket case that thousands try to escape every year. With millions of Venezuelans no longer willing to put up with deteriorating living conditions, and a government willing to take whatever means necessary to hold on to power, it looks like the worst is yet to come.
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Another Trump Thread 2 months 1 week ago #3172511

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One time is enough, Serena.

Annette wrote:

Serena77 wrote: As you will. We still have freedom of speech and I and countless of other Americans will assuredly continue to do what is right! The danger, my friend, is in the Left Democratic rule!


"Sounds a bit dictatorial...every dictator and religious leader and their blind comrades insist of doing ´the right thing´ and knowing ´the truth´.

And were one is so nice to grant other freedom of speech one should perhaps not be so mordacious to someone with a different view.

Oh well, some people never learn..."

Ten times the same post, and still no answer...

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I realize it Annette, lol...I tried to delete it, honestly!

What answer do you want. that we should put up with Dictatorial rule? Sure they may have their say...and THEY DO..
This is the opposing view held by Americans who cherish the dream of a free Republic as instituted by our founding fathers.
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Another Trump Thread 2 months 1 week ago #3172521

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Serena77 wrote:

Annette wrote:

Serena77 wrote: As you will. We still have freedom of speech and I and countless of other Americans will assuredly continue to do what is right! The danger, my friend, is in the Left Democratic rule!


Sounds a bit dictatorial...every dictator and religious leader and their blind comrades insist of doing ´the right thing´ and knowing ´the truth´.

And were one is so nice to grant other freedom of speech one should perhaps not be so mordacious to someone with a different view.

Oh well, some people never learn...



Exactly! Some people never learn! Nancy Pelosi is not doing anything to tone down the Socialist tone of the Left wing members of her party. There means she is full assent swinging from the moderate left to the far left. All the
Democratic Presidential hopefuls have a Socialist point of view. It may sound good to some people but the end result is anathema and destruction. This article is right on!

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Look at all the Socialist countries, the most recent Venezuela and where did their Socialist Communist government take them. Down a whirlwind path o destruction and starvation.
www.cityam.com/article/1393351308/how-so...-destroyed-venezuela
Venezuela was once South America’s richest country, taking in immigrants from all over the world. For many years, it was also a remarkable democracy in a region where most nations were ruled by military dictatorships. Today, socialism has turned Venezuela into an authoritarian basket case that thousands try to escape every year. With millions of Venezuelans no longer willing to put up with deteriorating living conditions, and a government willing to take whatever means necessary to hold on to power, it looks like the worst is yet to come.


Whoops double post...tried to delete,,,sorry!


For conservatives to label Democrats "socialists" would be if liberals called Republicans Fascists. Would you consider it proper for your party to be publically labeled as a Fascist?

Our Representative Democracy has always had some elements of what you might refer to as Socialism. SOCIAL SECURITY comes to mind. Then there are public schools, public roads, public airports, and the list goes on an on. Do you consider all of these "Socialists agendas?"
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Another Trump Thread 2 months 1 week ago #3172552

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Social Securiity we previously pain for so no, heck I have been call so much on here nothing matters, things govt do for the citizens I would call them, in the last 10 years or so it is very easy to see where most of the problems we have started and those supporting them. Speaking only for location here not afar as not professing to be the know it all on everything all over as seen so much.
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Another Trump Thread 2 months 1 week ago #3172592

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I see Trump likes to take credit for the economy boosting measures Obama took. The same happens in my Oz. Sleazy lying pollies are our norm too almost.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't. That's why I like longer term tenures. Let's at least give time to see their things through and then judge.

I admit Trump has kept the momentum going but like the snake oil salesman he is, he eventually will come undone.
Without any moral impedance Trump took the US for a wild spin promising unrealistic things to dumb Populist voters.
Sure Politics, even with the Dems, had got too Elitist and change was needed. Ironically, such an extreme change as Trump may well (hopefully) be paradigm shifting.
Medicare is not Communism; please get over that any political ideological recalcitrants. [Using big words can be fun]:laugh: Stats show greater benefits for Medicare type benefits, and...
"Stepping over dead people in the street can be embarrassing!"
But seriously from the perspectives of real First World countries like in many parts of Europe, New Zealand and almost my Oz too. What many Yanks deem as touching on Communism/Socialism is quite the norm in real first world countries that don't so much use the yard stick of Capitalism but more that of Humanism. Humanism. Google it.
Personally, I see Capitalism as extreme and as bad as Communism. Neither encapsulates the essence of our Human Nature and I suspect the true path lies somewhere between these extremes, imho. Dan.
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Personally, I see Capitalism as extreme and as bad as Communism. Neither encapsulates the essence of our Human Nature and I suspect the true path lies somewhere between these extremes, imho. Dan.


Yes exactly.

as I have said before, the issue is not communism (or socialism) vs capitilism - it is where on the spectrum we think is the right balance.

All of our countries are somewhere on the spectrum now - they all have many socialist components already - public schools, roads, some degree of public health care, government run services like water, sewerage, car registration etc etc etc

"things govt do for the citizens" is a form of socialism. - we pay taxes and the govenrment runs some things.

Savvy is right - labelling anything other party supports as socialism is like labelling anything other party supports as Facism.

In fact I read an article the other day about how Trump is using socialism as a dirty word in a scare tactics type of way - and I can see it is working.
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