Well of course they shouldn't be free running anywhere unless it is specifically an off leash area.

And of course owners should pick up dogs poo. ( muzzles wouldn't affect that though)

Owner behaviour ( ie have your dog on leash and pick up its poo) is what needs to change in those scenarios, not banning or muzzling all dogs.

Pats wrote:

Keeper wrote: I grew up with dogs, beautiful cocker spaniels. My parents bred them, they were show dogs. I have had several loving dogs during my marriage, and I tell you now, that I would NEVER leave a child alone with any dog.

My dogs were always well trained by me, and I truly believe it is the owner who needs the training, so as to get their dog to do what they want it to do. Most dogs want to be good, because they want to be loved, Oh, I know some will say they love them anyway, but the dog reasons differently. They want to be shown, what the owner wants of them. Hence owner being trained!

These Bully XL dogs are bred to be aggresive, and to fight. Humans to blame for breeding them like this. But I say again, I would never leave ANY child alone with any dog.

I agree with you.

We had Boxers and bred a couple of litters when we wanted another puppy, our children grew up with them and so have some of our grandchildren.
We always had bitches not dogs.
They loved the children and were very gentle and protective with them……however we never left them alone with the child or children……you can never be sure what could happen such as the child poking or accidentally hurting the dog.
I trusted my Boxers, but you just don’t know what could happen.

I agree too, that some owners need training.

American Pitbull Terroirs or that style of dog is very popular around here. I have not seen a mean one in years, they are usually very sweet dogs in my experience. The Our Gang dog Petey is of that breed.
I have seen mean ones and they were trained that way or abused. I worked on a house owned by a guy who raised Rottweilers and the males were mean and he trained them that way. He was an idiot of course.
My dogs have been Border Collies, Australian Cattle Dog x Border Collie currently. My last Border Collie was a heel nipper and caused problems, he was a rescue and was used to rangle cows, it's called "grip". RIP Ray.
So IMHO, it's not so much the breed, it's the person who 'cares' for the dog that causes the problem.

Someone sent me a video from the USA a horrific incident a man lying on top of his small dog with three XL Bully's chewing on the poor thing obviously dead. The police arrive baton the beasts to no avail In the end one officer draws his revolver and shoots all three.Another video in Sheffield a man holding his small dog a Bully attacking drags the man into the road a passing motorist mounts the pavement to save him

I wonder what kind of person would actually stand by and film this type of video, and then let people watch it for its gruesome 'entertainment' value.

Vienna wrote: I wonder what kind of person would actually stand by and film this type of video, and then let people watch it for its gruesome 'entertainment' value.

Way of the world the first thing lots of people go to is the camera on the phone. Lets hope they ring for help first.I could never stand by, my natural instinct is to intervene even if its risking my own safety.

These Bully type dogs aren’t pets.
No matter what training the owner and dog receive it can’t change the fact that the bully bull type are unreliable and in the wrong hands a killing machine.
A powerful breed with massive jaws , imo should never of been bred .

They were not originally bred to be pets. People are still selling bully puppies at phenomenally hight prices on the Internet. They look cute but they will grow into potentially dangerous animals that can kill. Idiots use them as weapons to scare people off or to show how ‘hard’ they are
The breed should be banned.

altshovel wrote:

Pats wrote:

Keeper wrote: I grew up with dogs, beautiful cocker spaniels. My parents bred them, they were show dogs. I have had several loving dogs during my marriage, and I tell you now, that I would NEVER leave a child alone with any dog.

My dogs were always well trained by me, and I truly believe it is the owner who needs the training, so as to get their dog to do what they want it to do. Most dogs want to be good, because they want to be loved, Oh, I know some will say they love them anyway, but the dog reasons differently. They want to be shown, what the owner wants of them. Hence owner being trained!

These Bully XL dogs are bred to be aggresive, and to fight. Humans to blame for breeding them like this. But I say again, I would never leave ANY child alone with any dog.

I agree with you.

We had Boxers and bred a couple of litters when we wanted another puppy, our children grew up with them and so have some of our grandchildren.
We always had bitches not dogs.
They loved the children and were very gentle and protective with them……however we never left them alone with the child or children……you can never be sure what could happen such as the child poking or accidentally hurting the dog.
I trusted my Boxers, but you just don’t know what could happen.

I agree too, that some owners need training.

American Pitbull Terroirs or that style of dog is very popular around here. I have not seen a mean one in years, they are usually very sweet dogs in my experience. The Our Gang dog Petey is of that breed.
I have seen mean ones and they were trained that way or abused. I worked on a house owned by a guy who raised Rottweilers and the males were mean and he trained them that way. He was an idiot of course.
My dogs have been Border Collies, Australian Cattle Dog x Border Collie currently. My last Border Collie was a heel nipper and caused problems, he was a rescue and was used to rangle cows, it's called "grip". RIP Ray.
So IMHO, it's not so much the breed, it's the person who 'cares' for the dog that causes the problem.

ACD’s are well-known for being protective and to nip. I love the breed but many are leery. Pitbulls are great in most cases as I’ve experienced.

altshovel wrote:

Pats wrote:

Keeper wrote: I grew up with dogs, beautiful cocker spaniels. My parents bred them, they were show dogs. I have had several loving dogs during my marriage, and I tell you now, that I would NEVER leave a child alone with any dog.

My dogs were always well trained by me, and I truly believe it is the owner who needs the training, so as to get their dog to do what they want it to do. Most dogs want to be good, because they want to be loved, Oh, I know some will say they love them anyway, but the dog reasons differently. They want to be shown, what the owner wants of them. Hence owner being trained!

These Bully XL dogs are bred to be aggresive, and to fight. Humans to blame for breeding them like this. But I say again, I would never leave ANY child alone with any dog.

I agree with you.

We had Boxers and bred a couple of litters when we wanted another puppy, our children grew up with them and so have some of our grandchildren.
We always had bitches not dogs.
They loved the children and were very gentle and protective with them……however we never left them alone with the child or children……you can never be sure what could happen such as the child poking or accidentally hurting the dog.
I trusted my Boxers, but you just don’t know what could happen.

I agree too, that some owners need training.

American Pitbull Terroirs or that style of dog is very popular around here. I have not seen a mean one in years, they are usually very sweet dogs in my experience. The Our Gang dog Petey is of that breed.
I have seen mean ones and they were trained that way or abused. I worked on a house owned by a guy who raised Rottweilers and the males were mean and he trained them that way. He was an idiot of course.
My dogs have been Border Collies, Australian Cattle Dog x Border Collie currently. My last Border Collie was a heel nipper and caused problems, he was a rescue and was used to rangle cows, it's called "grip". RIP Ray.
So IMHO, it's not so much the breed, it's the person who 'cares' for the dog that causes the problem.

Even after Googling, I'm still not familiar with this particular type of dog. I don't know if I've ever seen one.
However, I do tend to agree with you- it's about how an owner raises and takes care of a dog, not the breed itself.

there's justice for some.

Hope there's more to follow!