Pats wrote:

Vienna wrote: Sexual assault is a serious crime.
Someone putting a hand on one's leg is not.

The legal definition of sexual assault in England and Wales is when someone intentionally touches another person in a sexual manner, without that person's consent.

Has to be sexual not just a touch has to be something like squeezing or going up the length of the leg. Even if a man touches a woman's backside you would be hard pressed to get a conviction on sexual assault . Would have to be a squeeze otherwise it is a common assault

Pats wrote:

Vienna wrote: Sexual assault is a serious crime.
Someone putting a hand on one's leg is not.

The legal definition of sexual assault in England and Wales is when someone intentionally touches another person in a sexual manner, without that person's consent.

So anyone who has ever had a hand on their leg can say it's sexual assault.
But someone who has been the victim of a vicious and violent sexual assault would find that wrong.
My god what a mess..

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Jane R, I am curious why you are always in a hurry to disbelieve people who have been sexually assaulted. I seem to recall the case of a woman who was unconscious with drink who was raped several years ago by a footballer where a few women stood up for him and said the woman was 'asking for it' because she was drunk etc etc
To defend people who have been convicted of sexual assaults by a court is part of the whole sickness around this topic.

Not only this .Ukraine OT's also. Quite Strange.
Controversy >> Conspiracy appears to be the intent.
Défense Lawyers, Jury & Judge conclusions. Demeaned Flawed!
Pity really. Submissions well expressed.
Content Inquisitive & Contradictive, of almost all other well documented publications.
Full Stop. Profiling Paused!

Chris Denning BBC Radio 1 DJ abused boys imprisoned 13 years
Jonathan King BBC Radio 1 DJ abused boys imprisoned 7 years
Mark Page BBC Radio 1 DJ abused 12 year olds imprisoned 18 years
Dave Lee Travis BBC Radio 1 DJ suspended sentence for indecent assault
Stuart Hall BBC presenter molested children imprisoned 15 mths
Peter Rowell BBC presenter abused children imprisoned 6 yrs
Tony and Julie Wadsworth BBC presenters abused children imprisoned 5 yrs
Ben Thomas BBC presenter abused children imprisoned 18 years

Tim Westwood a more recent investigation the ex Radio 1 DJ has allegations from women and children.The net is closing in on him.

Bet these people had a smile on their face when ever they looked up and went through the doors at Broadcasting House

knighten wrote: Chris Denning BBC Radio 1 DJ abused boys imprisoned 13 years
Jonathan King BBC Radio 1 DJ abused boys imprisoned 7 years
Mark Page BBC Radio 1 DJ abused 12 year olds imprisoned 18 years
Dave Lee Travis BBC Radio 1 DJ suspended sentence for indecent assault
Stuart Hall BBC presenter molested children imprisoned 15 mths
Peter Rowell BBC presenter abused children imprisoned 6 yrs
Tony and Julie Wadsworth BBC presenters abused children imprisoned 5 yrs
Ben Thomas BBC presenter abused children imprisoned 18 years

Tim Westwood a more recent investigation the ex Radio 1 DJ has allegations from women and children.The net is closing in on him.

Bet these people had a smile on their face whenever they looked up and went through the doors at Broadcasting house

Anyone can just go online and dig below the smiley front of the BBC and find a web of lies Paedophiles and abuse to children women and men, It has being going on for years since the 60s and the BBC covered it.
The cancel culture didn't help as Jonny Rotten found out when he spoke about Saville and others he mentioned yet he was banned from the BBC his music was banned from the BBC and Saville and co remained untouchable with BBC covering their evil deeds over and over again.
Johnny Rotten is not the only one who got turned on for opening their mouths about these animals.

Just look at the stick Ulrika got when she mentioned in her book she was raped by a well known celebrity! she was called a slag and someone even said the way she is she asked for it (unbelievable that)! All nasty stuff from Broadcasters to cover the tracks of those responsible, thing is I believe even now Ulrika never named the culprit so why did the broadcasters turn on her? I think it is because they know in their ranks they have some very unsavoury characters and they were protecting them whilst they expected Ulrika to name him. Sort of backfired on them as she never did as far as I know anyway.
The BBC have a history of covering despicable crimes and despicable people many of them, The others broadcasters have had their problems but nothing like the BBC are responsible for.

Well, let’s not turn this thread into (yet another) “bash the BBC” thread. I know it’s a hobby horse for some but the BBC involvement is only part of the reason Harris and people like him got away with his sexual assaults for so long.

Yes, the BBC were very much at fault, but let’s not forget that it wasn’t just the BBC bosses and employees who brushed his sexual assaulting behaviour under the carpet - it was the TV industry in general - and not just in the U.K., either.
We have seen how it was brushed under the carpet in other TV Channels in U.K. too.
And in other countries too - there was at least 6 women from Australia, New Zealand and Malta who testified about the sexual assaults they had to put up with from Harris during the course of their working life.
One Australian make-up artist working for ABC (Suzi Dent) testified during one of Harris’s trials that Harris kept putting his hands up her shorts and groping her multiple times, trying to pull her towards him, while she was powdering the sweat off his face during filming. His behaviour was observed by all the other people involved in the filming on the set, yet nobody challenged him. She was a young woman at the time but she still remembers the incident clearly.
As she described it, she said

"He was enjoying it, nobody was stopping him. There were men in the studio watching and saying nothing."
Ms Dent felt there was no way she could react.
She felt powerless to respond to the unwelcome attentions of the international star she had to look after on set.
"Rule number one was you don't upset the talent," she said.
"So if I had said something to him or slapped his hand away, which I must add is not what women did in 1986, it was not acceptable behaviour for women to stand up for themselves like that, they had to cop it on the chin."
At the end of the day she mentioned what had happened to a colleague, only to be told, "Oh, I thought you knew, his nickname is “the octopus”. It's hands everywhere and he's fast".

So, it wasn’t just the BBC, or the Television Industry in the U.K., which swept this disgusting sexual abuse under the carpet - and it wasn’t just the Television Industry across the world which condoned it, either - it was covered up in Churches, Care Homes, Youth Clubs and even within groups of friends or families.

QuinTSensual wrote: [quote="Rain" post=3933327
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Jane R, I am curious why you are always in a hurry to disbelieve people who have been sexually assaulted. I seem to recall the case of a woman who was unconscious with drink who was raped several years ago by a footballer where a few women stood up for him and said the woman was 'asking for it' because she was drunk etc etc
To defend people who have been convicted of sexual assaults by a court is part of the whole sickness around this topic.

Not only this .Ukraine OT's also. Quite Strange.
Controversy >> Conspiracy appears to be the intent.
Défense Lawyers, Jury & Judge conclusions. Demeaned Flawed!
Pity really. Submissions well expressed.
Content Inquisitive & Contradictive, of almost all other well documented publications.
Full Stop. Profiling Paused!

This discussion is being made personal with your comments above which surely contravene Buzz rules. And has nothing to do with the topic. I'm as entitled to my views and opinions as you are. You can expect to see those that differ to you on a debate forum. Who wants an echo chamber?

Ambriel wrote: Well, let’s not turn this thread into (yet another) “bash the BBC” thread. I know it’s a hobby horse for some but the BBC involvement is only part of the reason Harris and people like him got away with his sexual assaults for so long.

Yes, the BBC were very much at fault, but let’s not forget that it wasn’t just the BBC bosses and employees who brushed his sexual assaulting behaviour under the carpet - it was the TV industry in general - and not just in the U.K., either.
We have seen how it was brushed under the carpet in other TV Channels in U.K. too.
And in other countries too - there was at least 6 women from Australia, New Zealand and Malta who testified about the sexual assaults they had to put up with from Harris during the course of their working life.
One Australian make-up artist working for ABC (Suzi Dent) testified during one of Harris’s trials that Harris kept putting his hands up her shorts and groping her multiple times, trying to pull her towards him, while she was powdering the sweat off his face during filming. His behaviour was observed by all the other people involved in the filming on the set, yet nobody challenged him. She was a young woman at the time but she still remembers the incident clearly.
As she described it, she said

"He was enjoying it, nobody was stopping him. There were men in the studio watching and saying nothing."
Ms Dent felt there was no way she could react.
She felt powerless to respond to the unwelcome attentions of the international star she had to look after on set.
"Rule number one was you don't upset the talent," she said.
"So if I had said something to him or slapped his hand away, which I must add is not what women did in 1986, it was not acceptable behaviour for women to stand up for themselves like that, they had to cop it on the chin."
At the end of the day she mentioned what had happened to a colleague, only to be told, "Oh, I thought you knew, his nickname is “the octopus”. It's hands everywhere and he's fast".

So, it wasn’t just the BBC, or the Television Industry in the U.K., which swept this disgusting sexual abuse under the carpet - and it wasn’t just the Television Industry across the world which condoned it, either - it was covered up in Churches, Care Homes, Youth Clubs and even within groups of friends or families.

It certainly should be bash the BBC.Harris worked for them and the BBC were complicit in his deviant actions..

Vienna wrote:

Pats wrote:

Vienna wrote: Sexual assault is a serious crime.
Someone putting a hand on one's leg is not.

The legal definition of sexual assault in England and Wales is when someone intentionally touches another person in a sexual manner, without that person's consent.

So anyone who has ever had a hand on their leg can say it's sexual assault.
But someone who has been the victim of a vicious and violent sexual assault would find that wrong.
My god what a mess..

The Sentencing Guidelines have different Categories, depending on the type of Sexual Assault, and different levels of Culpability, which takes into account all the different circumstances and factors of each individual case.
The starting point sentences range from a Community Order to 7 years Custody, with a maximum of 10 years Custody, so there is plenty of scope for differentiating between a violent sexual assault and an opportunistic grope.

In the case of Rolf Harris, his historic crimes will have been charged under the legislation and sentencing pertaining to those crimes at the time he committed them. I think the charges he was convicted of were “Indecent Assault”, although the same crimes now would probably fall under different legislation and sentencing, especially as some of his convictions were against children.

"Those bad old days where we laughed at Benny Hill chasing a woman in her underwear to the backing of funny music are gone....."




My opinion is very different in that i certainly wouldn't call them the 'bad old days'.
How i used to laugh at Benny Hill and his antics and still do whenever i see them, i'm certainly not ashamed of that.

The same applies to Carry On films - i have all of them in my collection, and still find them very entertaining when i watch them.