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Health service in your country? 1 week 3 days ago #3553925

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I saw a short video of AOC expressing amazement at how the British National Health Service is free at point of contact. ...

In the UK you go to the doctor, doesn’t matter what’s wrong with you, you register and you get an appointment. No charge. You go to see the doctor and discuss what’s wrong with you. No charge. The doctor prescribes medicine – no charge if you:

• are 60 or over
• are under 16
• are 16 to 18 and in full-time education
• are pregnant or have had a baby in the previous 12 months and have a valid maternity exemption certificate (MatEx)
• have a specified medical condition and have a valid medical exemption certificate (MedEx)
• have a continuing physical disability that prevents you going out without help from another person and have a valid medical exemption certificate (MedEx)
• hold a valid war pension exemption certificate and the prescription is for your accepted disability
• are an NHS inpatient

If not you have to pay £9.15 prescription charge for the medicine – nomatter how much the cost actually is. Which I have to say I disagree with, prescriptions should be free.

If you need to go to hospital you get the treatment you need. They don’t demand details of your insurer because you don’t need insurance, and if you don’t have insurance you get free treatment anyway. You have an operation or whatever you need, no charge. Doesn't matter how long you have to stay in hospital - because that's a medical decision - there's no charge. You don’t end up with a bill for hundreds of thousands or millions of pounds that you need to pay off for the rest of your life.

This is wonderful because – apart from everything else - it means that people with infectious diseases like coronavirus (for example) aren’t discouraged from seeing their doctor, so they don’t pass on infectious diseases because they can’t afford to see a doctor.

Nobody (perhaps except for people with mental issues) takes advantage, all paid for through tax. Anyone beat that? If this is communism I'm all in favour :)

Although it may change since the tories want to push it towards the American system :mad:
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Health service in your country? 1 week 2 days ago #3553973

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Could you clarify who or what AOC is please?

For comparison - in Australia.

Some GP's bulk bill everybody ( such as medical centre where I work) - others bulk bill old age pensioners/children/ people on a heath care card or some services but not everybody for everything . (each centre will have the own variations on this)
Bulk billling means no cost to patient.
If not then Medicare (our "NHS") covers part of the cost and patient pays a gap
Specialists vary - usually there is a gap payment and Medicare pays rest.
Public hospitals - no cost to patient.
nearly all lab tests (for example coroanavirus, pap smears,medically requested blood tests) - no cost to patient.
Xrays, scans and such do often have a medicare gap - ie the patient part pays.
Unless you are a hospital inpatient- in which case, no cost.

You can choose to have private health insurance and go to private hospitals, see specialists in private practices - or not.
You will get perfectly good care if not - but may not have choice of specialist and some elective surgery may have long wait lists in public system.

Medications - everything on pharmecutical benifits scheme (PBS) is a capped price. Regardless of actual price of medication.
$6.60 for people on health care card - pensioners and low income earners.
Price varies for non health care card holders but is capped at around $40. Some things are less - I am on thyroxine which is about $20 for what works out to 9 months supply.
But maximum is $40
All people, have an annual safety net - if you have reached a certain number of prescriptions for the year, they are reduced price then free.
In practice, nearly all medications are on PBS. A few are not or are not for all uses - but uncommon.

I am not in agreement with free prescriptions.
We used, many years ago, to have free prescriptions for health care card holders but this lead to stockpiling and uneccesary buying by some people, as well as some obtaining medications like panadol on script, for others (illegal of course but it happened a lot)
I am in favour of our subsidised and tiered system of cost.
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Health service in your country? 1 week 2 days ago #3553976

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Canada has somewhat the same set up. doctors visits. hospital stays, are covered by the govt plan.
Seniors over 65 are covered for their drugs.
I expect that children are also covered for drugs.
It is a bit muddled for some people. those earning a low wage are covered by the plan.
People working often have an insurance plan run by the company. (they call it benefits) And they too would be covered.
There are people who are not covered and they have to pay the cost of the drug. not just the pharmacists costs.
Seems that each successive govt we get promise what they call a Pharma Plan. meaning every one in Canada would have their prescription costs covered. It has not happened yet and I am not holding my breath :(
I was born and raised in England and so have had experience in both countries. I would have to say that the English plan is the better.

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Health service in your country? 1 week 2 days ago #3553985

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AOC is for a national healthcare system, no pay at point of service. You might google and see what her policy suggestion is. It might be Medicare for all, not sure. You can look up Medicare for all too. I'm on Medicare Advantage and Kaiser is my provider, there are copays. I don't mind paying for drugs but drug companies charge too much, even for generics.
So here in the US healthcare sucks because of cost, the technology is great but the profit motive drives the cost past most people's means. It's common for people to file bankruptcy after they have expensive procedures, cancer, heart operations are way beyond most people's ability to pay.
Obama care just gives people access to insurance but it really does not help drive down costs. It's better than nothing and you can go to the doctor with minimal cost.
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Health service in your country? 1 week 2 days ago #3554053

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Its a mistaken belief that the British health Service is "free"! its not! Every person who is in full time employment has a deduction made from thier wage/salary. albeit a relatively modest one. its referred to as "National insurance" as opposed to private insurance which people are free to pay into as well. advantages being you get medical treatment much quicker as ,usually, no waiting lists. Quality of medical care is the same , usually excellent! .Unemployed pay nothing. The fundamental difference between the UK Health system and the American health system is that the British one is a safety net to help in time of need where as the American system is there to make a profit.
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Health service in your country? 1 week 2 days ago #3554058

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Our NHS here in the U.K. is excellent and deserves to be protected.
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Health service in your country? 1 week 2 days ago #3554059

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Incidentally.....the last time I googled which country had the best health care system, According to W.H O UN, Of the 40 richest countries in the world....America came 38...Food for thought.....
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Health service in your country? 1 week 2 days ago #3554061

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I assume AOC is short for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, but maybe wrong.
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peejay26 wrote: Its a mistaken belief that the British health Service is "free"! its not! Every person who is in full time employment has a deduction made from thier wage/salary. albeit a relatively modest one. its referred to as "National insurance" as opposed to private insurance which people are free to pay into as well. advantages being you get medical treatment much quicker as ,usually, no waiting lists. Quality of medical care is the same , usually excellent! .Unemployed pay nothing. The fundamental difference between the UK Health system and the American health system is that the British one is a safety net to help in time of need where as the American system is there to make a profit.



well, yes, we all know it isnt free from thin air, it is paid for by tax payers like anything government subsidised

I take it a a given that people understand that.
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Health service in your country? 1 week 2 days ago #3554097

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Unfortunately not Vegemite....the last time this topic came up ,year or two ago, when I mentioned this deduction from income I had a few howls of outrage from one or two Americans that it was another form of Tax, therefore to be avoided at all costs Which I suppose it is....but personally I have no problem with sharing the cost of full medical care.!..
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