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Charles Lieber and 2 Chinese Arrested - Stealing bioresearch 1 week 2 days ago #3429942

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Interesting that this situation didn't really get plastered all over the news.

"The Department of Justice announced today that the Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department and two Chinese nationals have been charged in connection with aiding the People’s Republic of China. "

www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-universit...parate-china-related


The story went viral on social media as a conspiracy theory for Coronavirus but a fact check site (Scopes) has debunked that connection. See what you think.

The incidents were:

1. Federal Agents arrested Dr. Charles Lieber, chair of Harvard University’s Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology, with lying to the Department of Defense about secret monthly payments of $50,000.00 paid by China and receipt of millions more to help set up a chemical/biological “Research” laboratory in Wuhan, China

2. Yanqing Ye, a lieutenant in the Chinese army was arrested, accused of stealing U.S. research

3. Zaosong Zheng was arrested at Logan Airport as he was attempting to smuggle 21 vials of biological research that he allegedly stole from Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston. On Jan. 21, 2020, Zheng was indicted on one count of smuggling goods from the United States and one count of making false, fictitious or fraudulent statements. He has been detained since Dec. 30, 2019.

The facts and myths are outlined here:

www.snopes.com/fact-check/charles-lieber-arrested-coronavirus/

The 21 vials apparently contained cancer cells which Zheng hoped to take back to china and pretend was research that he had done, thereby hoping to enhance his standing and career.

Whilst none of these arrests were connected to Coronavirus they do underpin the growing tensions between the USA and China which I have mentioned in other threads. A war between the USA and China is imo inevitable and will be a dangerous and worrying time for everyone on the planet.

The Scopes site explains the background thus:


"FBI Boston Division Special Agent in Charge Joseph R. Bonavolonta said in a statement that all three of these cases dealt with “economic espionage” and China’s attempts to steal trade secrets:

"China’s goal, simply put, is to replace the United States as the world’s leading superpower, and they’re breaking the law to get there.

"Massachusetts is a target-rich environment with world-class academic institutions, research facilities, hospitals, cleared defense contractors, and start-ups. And each and every one of them are in danger of having their research, development, and investments stolen right out from under them."

"The ruling Communist Party of the PRC wants what we have so they can get the upper hand on us."

"And while we are still confronted with traditional spies seeking our state secrets, often working under diplomatic cover, or posing as everyday citizens, I can tell you China is also using what we call “non-traditional collectors” such as professors, researchers, hackers and front companies."

"All three individuals charged today are manifestations of the China threat."



For those that haven't yet seen it I recommend you watch journalist John Pilger's documentary called:

"The Coming War On China"

Watch it here:

johnpilger.com/videos/the-coming-war-on-china

From this website:


"When the United States, the world’s biggest military power, decided that China, the second largest economic power, was a threat to its imperial dominance, two-thirds of US naval forces were transferred to Asia and the Pacific. This was the ‘pivot to Asia', announced by President Barack Obama in 2011. China, which in the space of a generation had risen from the chaos of Mao Zedong's ‘Cultural Revolution’ to an economic prosperity that has seen more than 500 million people lifted out of poverty, was suddenly the United States's new enemy.

The build-up of naval forces would reinforce the US's already overwhelmingly superior military position in the region. Seldom referred to in the Western media, 400 American bases surround China with ships, missiles and troops, in an arc that extends from Australia north through the Pacific to Japan, Korea and across Eurasia to Afghanistan and India.

The Coming War on China is John Pilger's most recent film – his 60th documentary and arguably his most prescient. Completed in the month Donald Trump was elected US President, the film investigates the manufacture of a ‘threat’ and the beckoning of a nuclear confrontation. "


Worrying times.

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Surprised it isn't splattered all over the news?
I am not as I take what comes from American governments and FBI CIA etc all with a pinch of salt,
History tells us there has been more BS from inside the US to feed their agenda (which we don't know yet what that is).
History again tells us the US like to think they are the biggest and the best in everything and for some strange reason when they are proven not to be or another country is better or matches them suddenly that country is a threat!
So China maybe the second largest super power so why is that a concern to the USA? simply because they can't hack being equalled or not being the biggest it has nothing to do with China being a threat to anyone it is childish arrogance of we must be seen as the best and typical of a country who has started more wars and interfered where they shouldn't more than any other country.
No one made them world police it is just something they took upon themselves and going back to the WMD in Iraq saga it is far from unusual to hear the US stating things which they expect us to believe when in fact there is a high chance it is just more US propaganda.
No offence to the good American people but I am sure there is many of them who wonder why they live in a country which interferes with the rest of the world so much.
As long as other countries like the UK keep butt sucking to them it will continue and wars will be imminent, It all needs to stop.
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Its just business - America is a business.

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Realist wrote: Interesting that this situation didn't really get plastered all over the news.

"The Department of Justice announced today that the Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department and two Chinese nationals have been charged in connection with aiding the People’s Republic of China. "

www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-universit...parate-china-related


The story went viral on social media as a conspiracy theory for Coronavirus but a fact check site (Scopes) has debunked that connection. See what you think.

The incidents were:

1. Federal Agents arrested Dr. Charles Lieber, chair of Harvard University’s Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology, with lying to the Department of Defense about secret monthly payments of $50,000.00 paid by China and receipt of millions more to help set up a chemical/biological “Research” laboratory in Wuhan, China

2. Yanqing Ye, a lieutenant in the Chinese army was arrested, accused of stealing U.S. research

3. Zaosong Zheng was arrested at Logan Airport as he was attempting to smuggle 21 vials of biological research that he allegedly stole from Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston. On Jan. 21, 2020, Zheng was indicted on one count of smuggling goods from the United States and one count of making false, fictitious or fraudulent statements. He has been detained since Dec. 30, 2019.

The facts and myths are outlined here:

www.snopes.com/fact-check/charles-lieber-arrested-coronavirus/

The 21 vials apparently contained cancer cells which Zheng hoped to take back to china and pretend was research that he had done, thereby hoping to enhance his standing and career.

Whilst none of these arrests were connected to Coronavirus they do underpin the growing tensions between the USA and China which I have mentioned in other threads. A war between the USA and China is imo inevitable and will be a dangerous and worrying time for everyone on the planet.

The Scopes site explains the background thus:


"FBI Boston Division Special Agent in Charge Joseph R. Bonavolonta said in a statement that all three of these cases dealt with “economic espionage” and China’s attempts to steal trade secrets:

"China’s goal, simply put, is to replace the United States as the world’s leading superpower, and they’re breaking the law to get there.

"Massachusetts is a target-rich environment with world-class academic institutions, research facilities, hospitals, cleared defense contractors, and start-ups. And each and every one of them are in danger of having their research, development, and investments stolen right out from under them."

"The ruling Communist Party of the PRC wants what we have so they can get the upper hand on us."

"And while we are still confronted with traditional spies seeking our state secrets, often working under diplomatic cover, or posing as everyday citizens, I can tell you China is also using what we call “non-traditional collectors” such as professors, researchers, hackers and front companies."

"All three individuals charged today are manifestations of the China threat."



For those that haven't yet seen it I recommend you watch journalist John Pilger's documentary called:

"The Coming War On China"

Watch it here:

johnpilger.com/videos/the-coming-war-on-china

From this website:


"When the United States, the world’s biggest military power, decided that China, the second largest economic power, was a threat to its imperial dominance, two-thirds of US naval forces were transferred to Asia and the Pacific. This was the ‘pivot to Asia', announced by President Barack Obama in 2011. China, which in the space of a generation had risen from the chaos of Mao Zedong's ‘Cultural Revolution’ to an economic prosperity that has seen more than 500 million people lifted out of poverty, was suddenly the United States's new enemy.

The build-up of naval forces would reinforce the US's already overwhelmingly superior military position in the region. Seldom referred to in the Western media, 400 American bases surround China with ships, missiles and troops, in an arc that extends from Australia north through the Pacific to Japan, Korea and across Eurasia to Afghanistan and India.

The Coming War on China is John Pilger's most recent film – his 60th documentary and arguably his most prescient. Completed in the month Donald Trump was elected US President, the film investigates the manufacture of a ‘threat’ and the beckoning of a nuclear confrontation. "


Worrying times.
Iffy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology
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johnpilger.com/videos/the-coming-war-on-china

From this website:


"When the United States, the world’s biggest military power, decided that China, the second largest economic power, was a threat to its imperial dominance, two-thirds of US naval forces were transferred to Asia and the Pacific. This was the ‘pivot to Asia', announced by President Barack Obama in 2011. China, which in the space of a generation had risen from the chaos of Mao Zedong's ‘Cultural Revolution’ to an economic prosperity that has seen more than 500 million people lifted out of poverty, was suddenly the United States's new enemy.

The build-up of naval forces would reinforce the US's already overwhelmingly superior military position in the region. Seldom referred to in the Western media, 400 American bases surround China with ships, missiles and troops, in an arc that extends from Australia north through the Pacific to Japan, Korea and across Eurasia to Afghanistan and India.

The Coming War on China is John Pilger's most recent film – his 60th documentary and arguably his most prescient. Completed in the month Donald Trump was elected US President, the film investigates the manufacture of a ‘threat’ and the beckoning of a nuclear confrontation. "


Worrying times.
Iffy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology
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Still don't see any facts as to WHY China are a threat apart from they are a threat to the USAs imperial dominance which says it all, it is all what the US think not based on any facts that China pose any sort of threat.
Is it simple fact the US don't like it that another country is near a level playing field when it comes to military strength to themselves? If so why? What have China done to pose such a threat? Is it the US wants to remove any countries strength so as a far dominant military force they can rule the world on their terms in the future?
Sorry I don't trust the US powers in charge any more than I trusted that clown looking Tony Blair who for some strange reason always make me think of John Wayne Gacy.
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From where I'm looking it seems China has already declared War on the World. Add up the deaths the World has already suffered?

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paulbo wrote: From where I'm looking it seems China has already declared War on the World. Add up the deaths the World has already suffered?


All will become clear in the next 6 months imho

Wait and watch

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wait and watch for more conspiracy theories - yes I'm sure there will be plenty more in the next 6 months.

Some things never change.
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paulbo wrote: From where I'm looking it seems China has already declared War on the World. Add up the deaths the World has already suffered?



I think most can see the difference between a virus and a war.:S

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paulbo wrote: From where I'm looking it seems China has already declared War on the World. Add up the deaths the World has already suffered?



I think most can see the difference between a virus and a war.:S


It was a metaphor.

This virus is highly sophisticated in that it has a protein on the outside that can fuse to a human cell instantly, and immediately start the re-production process inside the membrane of that cell. The virus has one purpose and that is re-produce and mutate if necessary. If the status quo remains regarding the origins of these viruses coming from China it's only a matter of time before a virus will wipe out the human race. The anger and condemnation is starting to rumble now, directed towards the guilty. It isn't a science fiction movie, this abomination is a real life horror.

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