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Study: States With Stricter Gun Control Regulations Have Fewer Mass Shootings 2 months 1 week ago #3193089

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KayyGee wrote: Sometimes I think you do it deliberately, before you undertake to rid Illinois of the Ohio weapons you might check the figure again, but still a reasonable couple of responses, at least this aspect of the debate in not in dispute, most of the illegal weapons come from outside of the State. Unfortunately your scheme to corner the illegal weapons market has already been managed by Chuck and Mid Western, though I suppose even they need out of State suppliers.

I'm surprised though you didn't comment on the other Myths about gun violence in Chicago, actually no I'm not.

Wrong once again. :P From the above (somewhere) figures, 22,051 of Chicago's crime guns came from within the state of Illinois, all of the other states provided only 20,078 according to my abacus. And this probably doesn't account for the number of crime guns in those other states that originated in Illinois. The Mississippi River runs both ways ya know.

In other words, most of the illegal weapons in Chicago come from within their own state. Chicago's criminal element (including their government) is most assuredly buying guns off the books from wherever possible. Crooks, of necessity, need to be efficient and don't want their business to slow down due to the reams of indecipherable bureaucratic paperwork, completely useless permit seeking, and maybe even waiting periods that licensed gun stores must suffer with.

The City of Chicago has been in the criminal underworld business for so long I wouldn't be at all surprised if they don't have formal signed contracts between the mob and themselves. How do you think Obama learned the ropes when he came over from Africa? :P
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Study: States With Stricter Gun Control Regulations Have Fewer Mass Shootings 2 months 1 week ago #3193132

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We had an interesting conversation early today at the sale barn café when delivering cows to the auction close by, my last 2 yrs in LE I gathered data for scheduling coverage so got involved in it, if I were a governor of such of a place like Chicago and wished to help the people what would I do well gather data on my area and like areas with similar problems then look at other areas without these problems and compare them to see what was different as most of the high gun crime places are very similar, throw out the similar traits and see just what is working and what does not, all agreed this was a very viable thing to do, one lady commented well if you changed to what works it would be a 100% not re-elected you lose your job situation, anyone wish to comment on the very apparent differences of why some areas have so much and so little crime yet are very similar in so many ways, we used areas and states in the central US not eastern and western areas. More laws does not even come into the discussion as they have them now, wonder why some obey them and others do not?
Strictest laws = more crime
Less strict areas = less crime

Not suggesting more firearms at all just looking at the very plain differences so visible to anyone that will admit them, we could start and end with the citizens and be on the right track.

But just like Dallas Tx, take actions to reduce the crime and get told to back off as your % of arrests are very one sided yes success was undeniable . I could just imagine the uproar in Chicago or one of the other areas.. Plus an unemployed official.
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Study: States With Stricter Gun Control Regulations Have Fewer Mass Shootings 2 months 1 week ago #3193352

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I think gunpolicy.org gives better information the per cap statistics. the population of Mississippi is less then the Chicago and surrounding area. Illinois gun deaths is 3 times higher then Mississippi's, that per capita give misguiding information.

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KayyGee wrote: Sometimes I think you do it deliberately, before you undertake to rid Illinois of the Ohio weapons you might check the figure again, but still a reasonable couple of responses, at least this aspect of the debate in not in dispute, most of the illegal weapons come from outside of the State. Unfortunately your scheme to corner the illegal weapons market has already been managed by Chuck and Mid Western, though I suppose even they need out of State suppliers.

I'm surprised though you didn't comment on the other Myths about gun violence in Chicago, actually no I'm not.

Wrong once again. :P From the above (somewhere) figures, 22,051 of Chicago's crime guns came from within the state of Illinois, all of the other states provided only 20,078 according to my abacus. And this probably doesn't account for the number of crime guns in those other states that originated in Illinois. The Mississippi River runs both ways ya know.

In other words, most of the illegal weapons in Chicago come from within their own state. Chicago's criminal element (including their government) is most assuredly buying guns off the books from wherever possible. Crooks, of necessity, need to be efficient and don't want their business to slow down due to the reams of indecipherable bureaucratic paperwork, completely useless permit seeking, and maybe even waiting periods that licensed gun stores must suffer with.

The City of Chicago has been in the criminal underworld business for so long I wouldn't be at all surprised if they don't have formal signed contracts between the mob and themselves. How do you think Obama learned the ropes when he came over from Africa? :P


No, wrong again, if you actually read the material instead of just the limited numeric table you will see that they all clearly state that only 40% of weapons associate with crimes come from within the State (from Chuck and MidWestern) and that 60%, which was the larger number where I went to school, came from outside and that the table only showed the top out off state suppliers not all out of state suppliers.

On the two way traffic, while acknowledging that it does happen, it's negligible.
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KG with the bordering states you mention all laxed compared to Chicago why do the have so much lower firearm crimes? Oddly they do yet less laws and more inventory. Makes one think there are other reasons hiding in the bush. Something not adding up here.
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KayyGee wrote: No, wrong again, if you actually read the material instead of just the limited numeric table you will see that they all clearly state that only 40% of weapons associate with crimes come from within the State (from Chuck and MidWestern) and that 60%, which was the larger number where I went to school, came from outside and that the table only showed the top out off state suppliers not all out of state suppliers.

On the two way traffic, while acknowledging that it does happen, it's negligible.

Still not seeing that "material" you mention. All I see is that 22,051 guns came from Illinois and that's over 2.5 times the number from the nearest state (Indiana at 7,747). I even scanned the "related article" and could not find the 40% or 60% figures anywhere.

Playing numbers aside, how do you account for the lack of gun crime in any of those nine other states? Compared to the Democratic-controlled city of Chicago, every one of those surrounding states is a crime-free utopia. One would think that if there were so many death-spewing firearms in those states that they could afford to ship their excess to Chicago, torrents of blood would be flowing in their own cities. But it's not. Only Chicago, fully owned and operated by the Democratic Party for decades, exhibits that level of carnage. And of course it doesn't just limit itself to guns. Name any popular drug and one can pick it up on most street corners in the 'hood. No matter how you try to shift blame to others, Chicago owns this one. You can go to the Chicago Tribune web site and they'll tell you the exact neighborhoods where the killings occur, along with the ethnicity of who's doing the shooting. I'd post it but too many on Buzz would somehow imagine they'd had their feelings hurt and that the Tribune must be racist. smile.png

I know that deep down in your socialist heart you want to see the U.S. disarmed like the helpless people of your country. That's not going to happen any time soon. Since the Dems managed to lie and weasel their way into control of the House, a few states have tried putting draconian guns laws in place. But as this New York Times article from yesterday point out, more and more sheriffs are telling their state government exactly where they can stuff those unconstitutional laws. When authoritarians at the top can't even get their own police forces on board, how likely do you think it's going to be that the gun owners are going to fall in line and grovel before them, sort of like your Aussies did? :lol:

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KayyGee wrote: No, wrong again, if you actually read the material instead of just the limited numeric table you will see that they all clearly state that only 40% of weapons associate with crimes come from within the State (from Chuck and MidWestern) and that 60%, which was the larger number where I went to school, came from outside and that the table only showed the top out off state suppliers not all out of state suppliers.

On the two way traffic, while acknowledging that it does happen, it's negligible.

Still not seeing that "material" you mention. All I see is that 22,051 guns came from Illinois and that's over 2.5 times the number from the nearest state (Indiana at 7,747). I even scanned the "related article" and could not find the 40% or 60% figures anywhere.

Playing numbers aside, how do you account for the lack of gun crime in any of those nine other states? Compared to the Democratic-controlled city of Chicago, every one of those surrounding states is a crime-free utopia. One would think that if there were so many death-spewing firearms in those states that they could afford to ship their excess to Chicago, torrents of blood would be flowing in their own cities. But it's not. Only Chicago, fully owned and operated by the Democratic Party for decades, exhibits that level of carnage. And of course it doesn't just limit itself to guns. Name any popular drug and one can pick it up on most street corners in the 'hood. No matter how you try to shift blame to others, Chicago owns this one. You can go to the Chicago Tribune web site and they'll tell you the exact neighborhoods where the killings occur, along with the ethnicity of who's doing the shooting. I'd post it but too many on Buzz would somehow imagine they'd had their feelings hurt and that the Tribune must be racist. smile.png

I know that deep down in your socialist heart you want to see the U.S. disarmed like the helpless people of your country. That's not going to happen any time soon. Since the Dems managed to lie and weasel their way into control of the House, a few states have tried putting draconian guns laws in place. But as this New York Times article from yesterday point out, more and more sheriffs are telling their state government exactly where they can stuff those unconstitutional laws. When authoritarians at the top can't even get their own police forces on board, how likely do you think it's going to be that the gun owners are going to fall in line and grovel before them, sort of like your Aussies did? :lol:


As they say, there are none so blind. In the end one just has to conclude, as Mrs Pelosi did with that other fella, it's just not worth it. As for Oz, well I feel satisfied that I could go to any corner of the country at any time of the day or night and feel perfectly safe.

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theglobepost.com/2018/08/13/gun-violence-chicago/

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Dennis 2 wrote: KG with the bordering states you mention all laxed compared to Chicago why do the have so much lower firearm crimes? Oddly they do yet less laws and more inventory. Makes one think there are other reasons hiding in the bush. Something not adding up here.


Another false projection, a myth perpetuated by those to afraid to look in their own backyard.

From an article on the top 10 most dangerous cities in the US:

It turns out that, based on the most recent FBI Crime data, St. Louis, MO has maintained its throne as the city with the highest crime rate. It ranked as the most dangerous city in America for 2019 based on the data.

This our fifth time ranking the most dangerous cities in America and St. Louis takes top the top for the third time.

Here’s a look at the top ten most dangerous cities in America:

St. Louis (Photos)
Memphis (Photos)
Little Rock (Photos)
Springfield (Photos)
Albuquerque (Photos)
Oakland (Photos)
Chattanooga (Photos)
Pueblo (Photos)
Baltimore (Photos)
Anchorage (Photos)

You might be thinking to yourself at this point — where’s Chicago?? Isn’t that some kind of post-apocalyptic, world war 3 type city? Well, it actually ranks as the 62nd most dangerous with a pretty normal overall crime rate.

Here's the article with more information and sources for the raw data.

www.roadsnacks.net/most-dangerous-cities/

and yes it's not the Washington Post or New York Times or FNC but the data is the data.
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If you read I said Chicago was not on top guess you were to busy looking into your training books, also mentioned of others on the list yes very much aware of it, so why not address the actual causes, we are very aware here of all this all have posted it before to blind eyes, so ok using your list what's the common causes we know here, then it looks like your avoiding that sure is not all very low income areas is it, must be otherwise, I agree totally on your list as I knew it well from living here, there is a very common denominator you seem in all your research and expert police knowledge to omit as others do about every time, we live here and are aware of all of it. Rather than tell us what we know why not share a workable non bias solution? I gave my thoughts several times why not yours, remember these already have good laws on the books oddly some do not pay attention to them, can you make a non biased suggestion that is fair to all concerned and not one sided? Bet not! Remember those areas also have legal good citizens also so we want to be fair to those also. They also deserve it remember more good people than bad if that matters to you.

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I live in Kentucky and they just voted anyone 21 can carry a gun. I don't think that is good. I have a license and I
don't you should be able to carry one without a license. I do know if you break in a house here ,you could be
killed. People get shoot all the time trying to rob someone. The states where are more gun laws you can not go
places at night ,ask the people who live there. Ask your self what would you do if someone broke into your house
and you were at home. Don't say call 911.
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