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London Zoo tiger mating gone wrong.... 6 months 1 week ago #3172425

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Thanks for that info Eira really interesting.

Just wish they'd get rid of zoos whilst I appreciate they need the money for conservation, surely there must be a better way of doing it.

Loved the info in Tachyon's post also and surely this must be the way to go and also Safari parks rather than zoos in countries that don't have natural habitats.

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London Zoo tiger mating gone wrong.... 6 months 1 week ago #3172485

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Yes, I wish we didn't have zoos too and Tachyon described a much better alternative.

The only problem with that is the difficulty of keeping conservation areas free of poachers. Even with paid wardens, they are up against a very powerful, wealthy and unscrupulous illegal poaching industry.

It's sickening how these poachers are killing wild animals to the brink of extinction and wealthy people are driving the industry in their warped desire for sick status symbols or useless medications. According to this article, it's now a multi billion dollar a year industry, practised in open sight.

www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/rh...ng-bolder-180970382/
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London Zoo tiger mating gone wrong.... 6 months 1 week ago #3172488

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Tachyon wrote: They don't use tranqs as a first resort because tigers in a life-and-death battle will be far too hard to hit, moving as fast as they would have been doing, and because it would take maybe 30 to 60 seconds to take effect. They try and split them up with flares, water hoses and fire extinguishers, because it's fast, they are area of effect and do no harm. However, a tiger can kill in a split second and that's just the way it goes.

Zoos are not really effective at conserving species. An article on Radio 4 said that the number of species bred in zoos and successfully put back in the wild "could be numbered on a few pairs of hands". What's the point of releasing zoo-bred animals back into a world where their vanishing habitats are shrinking ever smaller? What do they eat when the food chain they depend on has been totally disrupted? Why bother releasing them back to where they will just be hunted back to the point of extinction again?

The money wasted in zoos would, the interviewer stated, be better spent preserving natural habitats and protecting the endangered species on their own turf. Basically, turn poachers into wardens and make the money from wildlife tourism the basis of the local economy.


Gerald Durrell and his wife Lee Durrell set up Jersey zoo many years ago, and did achieve great things so far as reintroducing species under threat, with great benefit to the ecology of the places they went back to (the Round Island skink, once all the rsts were removed, that were damaging the whole ecosystem).

Gerald Durrell had many objections to overcome, similar to the views you've highlighted, but became a leader showing good practise, and promoting his ideas across the world, with great recruits from the countries involved.

I'm a fan of our zoos these days, and as Durrell pointed out to one reporter who chose to try to criticise him, real life is very harsh at times, with parasitic infections and the like shortening the life of those in the wild.

Maybe the case of this Tiger was mishandled, but mistakes can be made without any fault being present or anyone responsible, other than chance, though you'd have thought great caution would be needed in future.

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Tachyon wrote: They don't use tranqs as a first resort because tigers in a life-and-death battle will be far too hard to hit, moving as fast as they would have been doing, and because it would take maybe 30 to 60 seconds to take effect. They try and split them up with flares, water hoses and fire extinguishers, because it's fast, they are area of effect and do no harm. However, a tiger can kill in a split second and that's just the way it goes.

Zoos are not really effective at conserving species. An article on Radio 4 said that the number of species bred in zoos and successfully put back in the wild "could be numbered on a few pairs of hands". What's the point of releasing zoo-bred animals back into a world where their vanishing habitats are shrinking ever smaller? What do they eat when the food chain they depend on has been totally disrupted? Why bother releasing them back to where they will just be hunted back to the point of extinction again?

The money wasted in zoos would, the interviewer stated, be better spent preserving natural habitats and protecting the endangered species on their own turf. Basically, turn poachers into wardens and make the money from wildlife tourism the basis of the local economy.


Gerald Durrell and his wife Lee Durrell set up Jersey zoo many years ago, and did achieve great things so far as reintroducing species under threat, with great benefit to the ecology of the places they went back to (the Round Island skink, once all the rsts were removed, that were damaging the whole ecosystem).

Gerald Durrell had many objections to overcome, similar to the views you've highlighted, but became a leader showing good practise, and promoting his ideas across the world, with great recruits from the countries involved.

I'm a fan of our zoos these days, and as Durrell pointed out to one reporter who chose to try to criticise him, real life is very harsh at times, with parasitic infections and the like shortening the life of those in the wild.

Maybe the case of this Tiger was mishandled, but mistakes can be made without any fault being present or anyone responsible, other than chance, though you'd have thought great caution would be needed in future.
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Tachyon wrote: They don't use tranqs as a first resort because tigers in a life-and-death battle will be far too hard to hit, moving as fast as they would have been doing, and because it would take maybe 30 to 60 seconds to take effect. They try and split them up with flares, water hoses and fire extinguishers, because it's fast, they are area of effect and do no harm. However, a tiger can kill in a split second and that's just the way it goes.

Zoos are not really effective at conserving species. An article on Radio 4 said that the number of species bred in zoos and successfully put back in the wild "could be numbered on a few pairs of hands". What's the point of releasing zoo-bred animals back into a world where their vanishing habitats are shrinking ever smaller? What do they eat when the food chain they depend on has been totally disrupted? Why bother releasing them back to where they will just be hunted back to the point of extinction again?

The money wasted in zoos would, the interviewer stated, be better spent preserving natural habitats and protecting the endangered species on their own turf. Basically, turn poachers into wardens and make the money from wildlife tourism the basis of the local economy.


Gerald Durrell and his wife Lee Durrell set up Jersey zoo many years ago, and did achieve great things so far as reintroducing species under threat, with great benefit to the ecology of the places they went back to (the Round Island skink, once all the rsts were removed, that were damaging the whole ecosystem).

Gerald Durrell had many objections to overcome, similar to the views you've highlighted, but became a leader showing good practise, and promoting his ideas across the world, with great recruits from the countries involved.

I'm a fan of our zoos these days, and as Durrell pointed out to one reporter who chose to try to criticise him, real life is very harsh at times, with parasitic infections and the like shortening the life of those in the wild.

Maybe the case of this Tiger was mishandled, but mistakes can be made without any fault being present or anyone responsible, other than chance, though you'd have thought great caution would be needed in future.
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Tachyon wrote: They don't use tranqs as a first resort because tigers in a life-and-death battle will be far too hard to hit, moving as fast as they would have been doing, and because it would take maybe 30 to 60 seconds to take effect. They try and split them up with flares, water hoses and fire extinguishers, because it's fast, they are area of effect and do no harm. However, a tiger can kill in a split second and that's just the way it goes.

Zoos are not really effective at conserving species. An article on Radio 4 said that the number of species bred in zoos and successfully put back in the wild "could be numbered on a few pairs of hands". What's the point of releasing zoo-bred animals back into a world where their vanishing habitats are shrinking ever smaller? What do they eat when the food chain they depend on has been totally disrupted? Why bother releasing them back to where they will just be hunted back to the point of extinction again?

The money wasted in zoos would, the interviewer stated, be better spent preserving natural habitats and protecting the endangered species on their own turf. Basically, turn poachers into wardens and make the money from wildlife tourism the basis of the local economy.


Gerald Durrell and his wife Lee Durrell set up Jersey zoo many years ago, and did achieve great things so far as reintroducing species under threat, with great benefit to the ecology of the places they went back to (the Round Island skink, once all the rsts were removed, that were damaging the whole ecosystem).

Gerald Durrell had many objections to overcome, similar to the views you've highlighted, but became a leader showing good practise, and promoting his ideas across the world, with great recruits from the countries involved.

I'm a fan of our zoos these days, and as Durrell pointed out to one reporter who chose to try to criticise him, real life is very harsh at times, with parasitic infections and the like shortening the life of those in the wild.

Maybe the case of this Tiger was mishandled, but mistakes can be made without any fault being present or anyone responsible, other than chance, though you'd have thought great caution would be needed in future.

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London Zoo tiger mating gone wrong.... 6 months 1 week ago #3172510

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It is not all that unusual for first dates end badly, but that is a bit extreme.

It would be better if we fixed their natural habitat.
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I think as far as a zoo is concerned, Hamburgs Hagebeck does a very good job.

www.hagenbeck.de/de/

Look at the pictures, how they did their best to make the animals feel at home.

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Eira wrote: Yes, I wish we didn't have zoos too and Tachyon described a much better alternative.

The only problem with that is the difficulty of keeping conservation areas free of poachers. Even with paid wardens, they are up against a very powerful, wealthy and unscrupulous illegal poaching industry.

It's sickening how these poachers are killing wild animals to the brink of extinction and wealthy people are driving the industry in their warped desire for sick status symbols or useless medications. According to this article, it's now a multi billion dollar a year industry, practised in open sight.

www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/rh...ng-bolder-180970382/


Yup don't human's make you feel sick. I feel helpless, all I can do is sign the petitions that I receive from change.org and pray that one day it will all end.

I do know that they're trying to reduce rhino horn poaching by humanely removing their horns so that they're not so attractive to poachers, but even this saddens me.

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/31/ho...rhinos-from-poachers
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London Zoo tiger mating gone wrong.... 6 months 1 week ago #3172555

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Annette wrote: I think as far as a zoo is concerned, Hamburgs Hagebeck does a very good job.

www.hagenbeck.de/de/

Look at the pictures, how they did their best to make the animals feel at home.


Annette I can't really tell from the website what this zoo is about. If it's like our safari parks where the animals roam freely and aren't in cages, but you drive through them just as you would on a safari holiday, then yup I'm up for that.

These are two of ours and the way I think it should be. Wild animals shouldn't be caged:
www.woburnsafari.co.uk/
www.longleat.co.uk/
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