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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002901

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An undergraduate degree in Germany lasts three to four years, therefore students should expect to spend €28,800 (£25,425) on living costs during an entire three-year degree.[/ color]

The tuition might be free but that seems like quite a load of debt to me!

And it, also, is taken from the Times.

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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002917

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It seems that some have this idea that the EU is somehow undemocratic, politicians that have not been voted for are formulating policies that people have not been informed about.
It occurs to me this seems to be an almost uniquely British misconception, fostered by both apathy and a purposeful lack of education about how the EU actually works.
Here in France education about the Union is an integral part of school life, (although not out of proportion to any other part of the curriculum) how it works, how it is accountable to us. School trips to Brussels and Strasbourg to visit the various institutions are also part of school life.
The children are also encouraged to involve themselves in aspects of running society, all of my children were at one time or another part of some school or council committee, which in turn was covered and discussed in the local media. To me this is democracy in action, actively participating in the decisions that affect our lives.
This education seems sadly lacking in the UK, where in my opinion, ignorance about the EU is the norm, a situation exploited by some to spread the lie that the EU is undemocratic, full of faceless men intent on ruining countries for their own nefarious ends.

The EU has its problems, but I have faith in the young people of Europe over the coming years to change that.
If I'm wrong, and the Union does break up, as the pages of history clearly show, we'll be living in more dangerous times.
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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002923

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bryoney wrote: An undergraduate degree in Germany lasts three to four years, therefore students should expect to spend €28,800 (£25,425) on living costs during an entire three-year degree.[/ color]

The tuition might be free but that seems like quite a load of debt to me!

And it, also, is taken from the Times.


Well this is nothing compared to what London student pay. (£25,000 ) every single year minimum not every 3 years.
9000£ School fees/year higher in all Europe
10000£ accomodation/year
6000£ minimum living expense....

That a massive huge debt once multiplied by 3 years or even 4 for a master student... :ohmy:
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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002930

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The charging fees at English Universities are not 'a fault' that can be heaped on Brussels [EU]
The following cut and paste serves to indicate the shambles and disparity within the UK., without devolvement of its constituent parts.
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Students from Scotland do not pay fees at Scottish universities
Scottish students get free university tuition - but students from England, Wales and Northern Ireland have to pay to study north of the border.
For the Scottish government, free university tuition for Scottish students has been a mantra.
First Minister Alex Salmond has said the "rocks would melt in the sun" before he'd contemplate introducing tuition fees. [Endorsed by the current 1st Minister Mrs Sturgeon]

But it is not just students from Scotland who get free tuition at Scotland's 19 universities - under European law, students from other EU member states share the same entitlement.
The most recent figures from UCAS suggest a rise in the number of applications from would-be students who live in England
However, students from other parts of the UK do not and Scottish universities charge them tuition fees.
The annual fees charged by Scottish universities to students from other parts of the UK are broadly similar to those charged by universities in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
For example in the coming year Glasgow will typically charge students £6,750 and Edinburgh charges £9,000.
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All of which rather undermines "United" !
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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002941

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pascalou wrote:

bryoney wrote: An undergraduate degree in Germany lasts three to four years, therefore students should expect to spend €28,800 (£25,425) on living costs during an entire three-year degree.[/ color]

The tuition might be free but that seems like quite a load of debt to me!

And it, also, is taken from the Times.


Well this is nothing compared to what London student pay. (£25,000 ) every single year minimum not every 3 years.
9000£ School fees/year higher in all Europe
10000£ accomodation/year
6000£ minimum living expense....

That a massive huge debt once multiplied by 3 years or even 4 for a master student... :ohmy:


But what you have failed to mention is choice. If, as a foreign national, a student chooses to study in London over somewhere more realistically priced then obviously you pay for the privilege.

Even the English can’t afford to live in London any more, priced out of the market by Arabian oil moguls and Russian oligarchs!!

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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002946

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I am talking about Brits London kids. Born and raised in London or any other place in the UK for that matter.

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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002947

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:whistle: :whistle: Isn't it the Russian Oligarchs who fund the Conservative Party ? They have to stay in London where strings can be pulled. We can't get rid of them!

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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002950

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himerus wrote: Yet another attempt to undermine the referendum result!


Indeed, and all the more futile as I, and I’m guessing a large proportion of those who voted to leave, had never heard of Leave.EU until after the Referendum and are not particularly interested in it now.
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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002958

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Aida wrote: :whistle: :whistle: Isn't it the Russian Oligarchs who fund the Conservative Party ? They have to stay in London where strings can be pulled. We can't get rid of them!


Methinks they are leaving of there own accord.
Now it's been sussed that many are fifth colombe, agent provocateurs.
[When the going gets tough >> The 'not so' tough get going]

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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3003175

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lensman wrote: "Hmm. Like I say, I see the EU in a different way, I've seen crumbling cities rejuvenated by them whilst our government looks on, I've seen and been involved with the thousands of jobs created by the EU, "


2016
UK payments to EU = £13.1 billion
EU Spending in UK =£4.5 billion
UK Net contribution to EU = £8.6 billion
Nice of them to fund projects with our own money.



Here are some more statistics for you
www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/bud....html#united_kingdom

It shouldn't come as a surprise that we pay in more than we get out of the EU
It always seemed logical as one of the richer states we'd be paying more, indeed subsidising and helping the poorer countries to raise their standard of living so that Europe is prosperous from East to West. It's a long term goal but one I personally agree with, as a rich country we should help those poorer than us. I'm sure that view is unpopular with many, as its a socialist view-point, but I'm all for it, as are many others across Europe.


Do we not pay enough via our foreign aid policy? Which at least we have some say where the money goes.
Perhaps the other wealthy European countries would care to pay their agreed NATO spending to ensure the security of the poorer countries.
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