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Brexit: 3 months 4 days ago #3216135

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I really think & it saddens me that there will be no Brexit.
They will just flange around ad infinitum.
Then it will be just pushed onto the back burner , end of story .
Thing of it though , I & millions of others will*NOT* vote Tory and they be cast into the abyess for who knows how long .
So that referendum meant B----r all.

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Brexit: 3 months 3 days ago #3216413

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Oh I think it will definately happen, but it may not be quite what we voted for, at least to begin with!

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Brexit: 3 months 3 days ago #3216415

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Polliyana wrote: Oh I think it will definately happen, but it may not be quite what we voted for, at least to begin with!



Well the thing is even among brexiters no one voted for the same thing, some thought leaving would include a good deal with many pluses, others wanted a no deal and leave same day, so whatever the issue it will never satisfy anyone...
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Brexit: 3 months 3 days ago #3216474

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pascalou wrote:

Polliyana wrote: Oh I think it will definately happen, but it may not be quite what we voted for, at least to begin with!



Well the thing is even among brexiters no one voted for the same thing, some thought leaving would include a good deal with many pluses, others wanted a no deal and leave same day, so whatever the issue it will never satisfy anyone...


But we haven't even started discussing the 'deal' yet, that can't happen until we have left.

Mrs May has negotiated our terms of leaving, which was written by Mrs Merkel and that's what the current row is about and has given away all our negotiating powers for the next stage.
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Brexit: 3 months 2 days ago #3217003

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Topsy wrote: I really think & it saddens me that there will be no Brexit.
They will just flange around ad infinitum.
Then it will be just pushed onto the back burner , end of story .
Thing of it though , I & millions of others will*NOT* vote Tory and they be cast into the abyess for who knows how long .
So that referendum meant B----r all.


Pretty certain it means the demise of the Tory Party, in government.

The Press is watching huge numbers who will "never vote Tory again".

The naysayers are worried that that approach will put Corbyn into power.

However, the most likely happening, in my opinion, is that the Leaver community will support Nigel who, I think, will end up with enough voters to enable him to work with whichever political side needs his votes.

Summary, two main parties without a clear majority.

Hello Nigel!
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Brexit: 3 months 2 days ago #3217008

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wendeey wrote:

pascalou wrote:

Polliyana wrote: Oh I think it will definately happen, but it may not be quite what we voted for, at least to begin with!



Well the thing is even among brexiters no one voted for the same thing, some thought leaving would include a good deal with many pluses, others wanted a no deal and leave same day, so whatever the issue it will never satisfy anyone...


But we haven't even started discussing the 'deal' yet, that can't happen until we have left.

Mrs May has negotiated our terms of leaving, which was written by Mrs Merkel and that's what the current row is about and has given away all our negotiating powers for the next stage.


I think you're getting mixed up with the trade negotiations that will take place after the withdrawal "deal".
We've been discussing the "deal" on this thread for months, as you know.
I think you're using semantics to muddy the waters, yet again.B)
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Brexit: 3 months 2 days ago #3217021

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Davegem wrote:

wendeey wrote:

pascalou wrote:

Polliyana wrote: Oh I think it will definately happen, but it may not be quite what we voted for, at least to begin with!



Well the thing is even among brexiters no one voted for the same thing, some thought leaving would include a good deal with many pluses, others wanted a no deal and leave same day, so whatever the issue it will never satisfy anyone...


But we haven't even started discussing the 'deal' yet, that can't happen until we have left.

Mrs May has negotiated our terms of leaving, which was written by Mrs Merkel and that's what the current row is about and has given away all our negotiating powers for the next stage.


I think you're getting mixed up with the trade negotiations that will take place after the withdrawal "deal".
We've been discussing the "deal" on this thread for months, as you know.
I think you're using semantics to muddy the waters, yet again.B)


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Pascalou was talking about what was being discussed 'before' the referendum. What was being discussed before the referendum was what sort of 'deal' we would aim for.

Mrs May and Mrs Merkel contrived the Withdrawal Agreement, this should have been done at the same time as the trade negotiations.

This is what has muddied the waters.

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Brexit: 3 months 2 days ago #3217027

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Popeye wrote:

Topsy wrote: I really think & it saddens me that there will be no Brexit.
They will just flange around ad infinitum.
Then it will be just pushed onto the back burner , end of story .
Thing of it though , I & millions of others will*NOT* vote Tory and they be cast into the abyess for who knows how long .
So that referendum meant B----r all.


Pretty certain it means the demise of the Tory Party, in government.

The Press is watching huge numbers who will "never vote Tory again".

The naysayers are worried that that approach will put Corbyn into power.

However, the most likely happening, in my opinion, is that the Leaver community will support Nigel who, I think, will end up with enough voters to enable him to work with whichever political side needs his votes.

Summary, two main parties without a clear majority.

Hello Nigel!


That's the best arguement for staying in the EU I've heard! Mr Farage with any sort of power is a recipe for disaster!
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Brexit: 3 months 2 days ago #3217028

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wendeey wrote:

Davegem wrote:

wendeey wrote:

pascalou wrote:

Polliyana wrote: Oh I think it will definately happen, but it may not be quite what we voted for, at least to begin with!



Well the thing is even among brexiters no one voted for the same thing, some thought leaving would include a good deal with many pluses, others wanted a no deal and leave same day, so whatever the issue it will never satisfy anyone...


But we haven't even started discussing the 'deal' yet, that can't happen until we have left.

Mrs May has negotiated our terms of leaving, which was written by Mrs Merkel and that's what the current row is about and has given away all our negotiating powers for the next stage.


I think you're getting mixed up with the trade negotiations that will take place after the withdrawal "deal".
We've been discussing the "deal" on this thread for months, as you know.
I think you're using semantics to muddy the waters, yet again.B)


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Pascalou was talking about what was being discussed 'before' the referendum. What was being discussed before the referendum was what sort of 'deal' we would aim for.

Mrs May and Mrs Merkel contrived the Withdrawal Agreement, this should have been done at the same time as the trade negotiations.

This is what has muddied the waters.


Wendeey wrote in response to Pascalou's post:
But we haven't even started discussing the 'deal' yet, that can't happen until we have left.

Clearly this thread has been discussing the "deal" for months, now you choose to describe the "deal" as the following trade negotiations?
I think you're just playing with words, being pedantic, purely to muddy the waters! Just my opinion!

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