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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002473

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Speaking of the very strong economics ties the E.U. has, I just watched a very interesting program on TV where E.U experts were saying that to maintain a strong economics we need to have a very strong E.U defense as no way we could let ourselves have to import defense from the US in the future if we want to maintain a strong economics and stay independant... Makes sense to me....


Makes no sense to me at all. If you want to be an economic powerhouse you need an army? Are you talking about buying weaponry or being part of NATO? Why does the EU need a personal army if, as another poster said, it has brought peace and prosperity to millions?

And tolerance of immigrants........when we were looking for a home in Germany we found a very nice house and were about to investigate its purchase when one of our German friends ( all loyal supporters of the EU and always criticising our negativity about our huge immigrant population) asked what zip code it was in. After we told them there was a look of horror. ‘Don’t buy anything there’.

‘Why not?’ ‘It’s where all the Turks live. Not a nice area’. So you see, there will always be ‘them’ and ‘us’ despite the EU. When you speak of ‘we’ you can only speak for those people you know and not large swathes of any country’s population because what people think and what people say are not necessarily the same thing.
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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002493

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bryoney wrote: Speaking of the very strong economics ties the E.U. has, I just watched a very interesting program on TV where E.U experts were saying that to maintain a strong economics we need to have a very strong E.U defense as no way we could let ourselves have to import defense from the US in the future if we want to maintain a strong economics and stay independant... Makes sense to me....


Makes no sense to me at all. If you want to be an economic powerhouse you need an army? Are you talking about buying weaponry or being part of NATO? Why does the EU need a personal army if, as another poster said, it has brought peace and prosperity to millions?

And tolerance of immigrants........when we were looking for a home in Germany we found a very nice house and were about to investigate its purchase when one of our German friends ( all loyal supporters of the EU and always criticising our negativity about our huge immigrant population) asked what zip code it was in. After we told them there was a look of horror. ‘Don’t buy anything there’.

‘Why not?’ ‘It’s where all the Turks live. Not a nice area’. So you see, there will always be ‘them’ and ‘us’ despite the EU. When you speak of ‘we’ you can only speak for those people you know and not large swathes of any country’s population because what people think and what people say are not necessarily the same thing.



Will they fund an EU defence force from the savings made on the agreed NATO budgets?

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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002502

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"Hmm. Like I say, I see the EU in a different way, I've seen crumbling cities rejuvenated by them whilst our government looks on, I've seen and been involved with the thousands of jobs created by the EU, "


2016
UK payments to EU = £13.1 billion
EU Spending in UK =£4.5 billion
UK Net contribution to EU = £8.6 billion
Nice of them to fund projects with our own money.
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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002507

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lensman wrote: "Hmm. Like I say, I see the EU in a different way, I've seen crumbling cities rejuvenated by them whilst our government looks on, I've seen and been involved with the thousands of jobs created by the EU, "


2016
UK payments to EU = £13.1 billion
EU Spending in UK =£4.5 billion
UK Net contribution to EU = £8.6 billion
Nice of them to fund projects with our own money.


Exactly! And so succinctly put..... there will always be those who quibble about the amounts but the fundamental truth remains. Projects funded by the EU are funded by our own money .
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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002515

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lensman wrote: "Hmm. Like I say, I see the EU in a different way, I've seen crumbling cities rejuvenated by them whilst our government looks on, I've seen and been involved with the thousands of jobs created by the EU, "


2016
UK payments to EU = £13.1 billion
EU Spending in UK =£4.5 billion
UK Net contribution to EU = £8.6 billion
Nice of them to fund projects with our own money.



Here are some more statistics for you
www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/bud....html#united_kingdom

It shouldn't come as a surprise that we pay in more than we get out of the EU
It always seemed logical as one of the richer states we'd be paying more, indeed subsidising and helping the poorer countries to raise their standard of living so that Europe is prosperous from East to West. It's a long term goal but one I personally agree with, as a rich country we should help those poorer than us. I'm sure that view is unpopular with many, as its a socialist view-point, but I'm all for it, as are many others across Europe.
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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002517

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bryoney wrote:

lensman wrote: "Hmm. Like I say, I see the EU in a different way, I've seen crumbling cities rejuvenated by them whilst our government looks on, I've seen and been involved with the thousands of jobs created by the EU, "


2016
UK payments to EU = £13.1 billion
EU Spending in UK =£4.5 billion
UK Net contribution to EU = £8.6 billion
Nice of them to fund projects with our own money.


Exactly! And so succinctly put..... there will always be those who quibble about the amounts but the fundamental truth remains. Projects funded by the EU are funded by our own money .


At least the EU spends our money with wisdom, unlike the inept fools we constantly elect to run our country, who spend their time using our taxes to line their own pockets and that of their cronies.
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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002531

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.... not forgetting money spent on decorating their offices and failed IT systems, contracts given to companies that are about to go bust, then more money to prop them up.... think Carillion and the hospital in the Midlands that has been mothballed, or should I say abandoned, less than half way through its completion and now needs money thrown at it just to make it safe because what work has been done is deteriorating.
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Tolerance is the seed : acceptance is the tree.
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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002580

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The backstop headline and TM’s linguistic Kafkaesque contortions to appease opposites within her own cabinet are irrelevant in the context of Brexit negotiations, because a half smiling and bemused EU has already knocked TM’s notions on the head. It seems to me that it’s an exercise in all about the Tories clinging on to power at all costs and not caring a jot about what is going on domestically.
When you hear about the likes of the former vote leave chairman, Lord Lawson, applying for French residency and opting to enjoy the benefits of the EU rather than relocating to experience at first hand the wonderful vision of a post brexit he decided is good enough for the rest of us speaks volumes and actually fills me with foreboding to be honest.
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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002593

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Davegem wrote:

lensman wrote: "Hmm. Like I say, I see the EU in a different way, I've seen crumbling cities rejuvenated by them whilst our government looks on, I've seen and been involved with the thousands of jobs created by the EU, "


2016
UK payments to EU = £13.1 billion
EU Spending in UK =£4.5 billion
UK Net contribution to EU = £8.6 billion
Nice of them to fund projects with our own money.



Here are some more statistics for you
www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/bud....html#united_kingdom

It shouldn't come as a surprise that we pay in more than we get out of the EU
It always seemed logical as one of the richer states we'd be paying more, indeed subsidising and helping the poorer countries to raise their standard of living so that Europe is prosperous from East to West. It's a long term goal but one I personally agree with, as a rich country we should help those poorer than us. I'm sure that view is unpopular with many, as its a socialist view-point, but I'm all for it, as are many others across Europe.



Not too far back in the posts (294) you said UK was crumbling? Spends our money wisely,
That is so naive.

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Brexit: 11 months 2 weeks ago #3002602

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Polliyana wrote:

Davegem wrote:

lensman wrote: "Hmm. Like I say, I see the EU in a different way, I've seen crumbling cities rejuvenated by them whilst our government looks on, I've seen and been involved with the thousands of jobs created by the EU, "


2016
UK payments to EU = £13.1 billion
EU Spending in UK =£4.5 billion
UK Net contribution to EU = £8.6 billion
Nice of them to fund projects with our own money.



Here are some more statistics for you
www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/bud....html#united_kingdom

It shouldn't come as a surprise that we pay in more than we get out of the EU
It always seemed logical as one of the richer states we'd be paying more, indeed subsidising and helping the poorer countries to raise their standard of living so that Europe is prosperous from East to West. It's a long term goal but one I personally agree with, as a rich country we should help those poorer than us. I'm sure that view is unpopular with many, as its a socialist view-point, but I'm all for it, as are many others across Europe.



Not too far back in the posts (294) you said UK was crumbling? Spends our money wisely,
That is so naive.


It's just my opinion Polliyana, I DO think the UK is crumbling, compared to France for example.
What I do think is Naive is calling people naive because they don't agree with you. now that's naive.
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