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Brexit, the General election and beyond. 10 months 2 days ago #3150411

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wendeey wrote: Sorry Tana I haven't got access to the Financial Times (where this point came from) so am posting from the Express lol

Obtained from: www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1071022/...greement-theresa-may

Mr Juncker re-iterated his claim that a no-deal would be catastrophic for both Europe and Britain and is said to be exchanging a flurry of emergency emails with Theresa May – with the full support of German Chancellor Angela Merkel. As the clock ticks down to Tuesday’s crunch Brexit vote in the Commons, EU insiders were reportedly keener than ever to make Mrs May’s Brexit pan work. Mr Juncker is understood to be ready to commit to a last-ditch promise that the contentious Irish border backstop would not last any longer than a year.



I bet he said that, little toe rag ,course he doesn"t want the UK to leave as it would open the flood gates on the failing EU.MAY is falling for it hook line and sinker . Well she would ,as I suspect she has ambitions within the EU .
The whole fiasco is just so appalling . We voted to leave and they are just dancing round us IMO


What kind of ambitions within the EU do you suspect Theresa May of having?


How do I know the woman is an enigma, just my suspicion


Oh, OK. I suppose it's just a nebulous suspicion and distrust you can't explain, then.
I just wondered if you had any foundations for your suspicions.

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Brexit, the General election and beyond. 10 months 2 days ago #3150440

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Topsy wrote: I bet he said that, little toe rag ,course he doesn"t want the UK to leave as it would open the flood gates on the failing EU.MAY is falling for it hook line and sinker . Well she would ,as I suspect she has ambitions within the EU .
The whole fiasco is just so appalling . We voted to leave and they are just dancing round us IMO


What kind of ambitions within the EU do you suspect Theresa May of having?[/quote]


Do you think May has ambitions within the EU Eira ??
How do I know the woman is an enigma, just my suspicion[/quote]

Sorry, I responded to your post before I saw your edited post, which included a question to me.

No, I don't think TM has any particular ambitions within the EU and I'm struggling to imagine what kind of ambitions you think she may have, which is why I asked you what you meant.

I think TM has been acting in what she thinks is the best interests of UK, though I accept that what she thinks is best is not a proposition that is supported by most Brexiteers (or Remainers, come to that)
Her "Deal" is coming across as the worst of all possible scenarios and I think she may have chosen the wrong approach to the negotiations but it has never crossed my mind that she has some underlying and undisclosed ambitions to secure some kind of position within the EU.
Maybe my mind is too simple and direct but, when you say TM has ambitions within the EU, I can't think of any position within the EU that she may covet.

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Brexit, the General election and beyond. 10 months 2 days ago #3150478

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to Quote "Rhett Butler " frankly my dear I don"t give a damn".
What will be will be.
I just know I am off on a super holiday tomorrow to Cape Verde,for two weeks so will be glad to see the back of it for a while .

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Brexit, the General election and beyond. 10 months 2 days ago #3150495

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Topsy wrote: to Quote "Rhett Butler " frankly my dear I don"t give a damn".
What will be will be.
I just know I am off on a super holiday tomorrow to Cape Verde,for two weeks so will be glad to see the back of it for a while .


Well, we all say things and cast aspersions without properly thinking it through at times.
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Brexit, the General election and beyond. 10 months 2 days ago #3150502

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Eira wrote:

Topsy wrote: to Quote "Rhett Butler " frankly my dear I don"t give a damn".
What will be will be.
I just know I am off on a super holiday tomorrow to Cape Verde,for two weeks so will be glad to see the back of it for a while .


Well, we all say things and cast aspersions without properly thinking it through at times.
Wishing you a good trip and happy holiday smile.png




I don"t !!

Thank you for your good wishes , I hope you also have a happy trip in April.
All the best

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Brexit, the General election and beyond. 10 months 7 hours ago #3150872

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This is a Public Service Announcement:

On March, 31st, clocks in the UK will go forward 1 hour, that is after they have gone back 40 years on March, 29th.

Just over 12 hours until the significant vote.
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Brexit, the General election and beyond. 10 months 2 hours ago #3150976

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KayyGee wrote:
This is a Public Service Announcement:

On March, 31st, clocks in the UK will go forward 1 hour, that is after they have gone back 40 years on March, 29th.

Just over 12 hours until the significant vote.


If the EU is not going to consider an extension to article 50 (and you can see why they wish to put this process behind them), then the prime ministers deal failing to win enough support today has to mean a hard brexit doesn't it (?).

The transition deal was dependent upon an agreement being reached on a trade deal some time hence, along with the thorny issue of an Irish back stop to avoid a hard border there (and the reassurances over its temporary nature, and whether they can be trusted).

When we joined the EU there was a very porous hard border in Ireland, so in that sense leaving could mean attempting to erect one again, but it couldn't be done overnight, and would have consequences for the peace process. A warning has been given that a referendum on the future of northern Ireland, part of the good Friday agreement, could be brought forward, or be more likely to happen sooner, and I'd guess the border issue would get resolved by that process should it happen.

All to play for, but some talk of a consensus in parliament, because of the obvious majority in favour of a version of the soft brexit, might force enough MPs to move their positions, though doubtful I know.

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Brexit, the General election and beyond. 10 months 2 hours ago #3150983

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While there are, and have been, more twists and turns in getting to the end of this sage than in a bowl of spaghetti the latest reporting is that the vote will result in any deal but Mrs Mays deal, with a hard Brexit and a second referendum running neck and neck over a dozen others ideas. But one thing that was clear is Mrs Mays last minute attempt to plead for support for her deal fell on deaf ears. Further without a whip I don't know whose rustling the votes. I hear that 7:00pm UK time is the reckoning hour.

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Brexit, the General election and beyond. 10 months 1 hour ago #3150997

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KayyGee wrote:
While there are, and have been, more twists and turns in getting to the end of this sage than in a bowl of spaghetti the latest reporting is that the vote will result in any deal but Mrs Mays deal, with a hard Brexit and a second referendum running neck and neck over a dozen others ideas. But one thing that was clear is Mrs Mays last minute attempt to plead for support for her deal fell on deaf ears. Further without a whip I don't know whose rustling the votes. I hear that 7:00pm UK time is the reckoning hour.


No whip on either main party, is that the case?

I'd have thought a general election more likely than the other options you mention, because how can anyone negotiate anything if the EU wont allow it to happen. The public would then in a sense get a chance to vote for the Prime Ministers deal and whatever Labour put forward as an alternative, though how the time scale would work I don't know, as it takes about five weeks to organise a general election I seem to remember, when snap elections have been held before.

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Brexit, the General election and beyond. 9 months 4 weeks ago #3151034

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I don't know about Labor, however Tory whip Gareth Johnson a staunch leaver resigned yesterday because he couldn't support Mrs Mays deal which he thinks is akin to remain.

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